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yellowhighlighter wrote:wtf am i talking about? i have around 100 songs with looped amens.

there noting wrong with using that loop, practicably maybe every good dnb use it.

If anyone thinks this is bad, they better start crediting every free VST they use cos its pretty much the same principle. Its using someone elses sounds on a dub when you havent paid for it, only difference being the riffs already mapped out.

Not something I'd do but fuck if I'm gonna shit talk Skream for it.

composition and sound design are different.

neutral wrote:If anyone thinks this is bad, they better start crediting every free VST they use cos its pretty much the same principle.

how on earth is it the same principle?

remedial wrote:

neutral wrote:If anyone thinks this is bad, they better start crediting every free VST they use cos its pretty much the same principle.

how on earth is it the same principle?

Someone else makes a sound, you dick about with it and put it in a dub. Same thing to me. As long as the entire track isnt the same why should it matter where the sound comes from?

nitz wrote:

yellowhighlighter wrote:wtf am i talking about? i have around 100 songs with looped amens.

there noting wrong with using that loop, practicably maybe every good dnb use it.

By letter of the law there is something wrong with taking the amen. It is not a public domain sample. No difference in taking it and taking a midi file imo.

fuck the law though.

abz wrote:

nitz wrote:

yellowhighlighter wrote:wtf am i talking about? i have around 100 songs with looped amens.

there noting wrong with using that loop, practicably maybe every good dnb use it.

By letter of the law there is something wrong with taking the amen. It is not a public domain sample. No difference in taking it and taking a midi file imo.

So your saying using a amen break against law is wrong yeh? it probably is am not %100 sure but then using a amen break is lawfully wrong but taking someone else musical work is morally wrong, they are two different things, just a few days a i was studying copyright law, and there are two types of copyright when it comes to music, the composition (midi file in are case) and then there the recording copyright (the masters) and to be in breach of composition copyright you need take musical ideas that are not used and use them, but taking a small piece eg sampling a kick snare can not result in breach of this copyright.

ima skanking listening to this!

well i never

neutral wrote:Someone else makes a sound, you dick about with it and put it in a dub. Same thing to me. As long as the entire track isnt the same why should it matter where the sound comes from?

this is a track someone has composed (albeit a MIDI one).. and the riff, chords and guitar line have all been lifted. this is a bit different from tweaking a preset and then composing your own track. after all, the whole point of VST's is to make music with them..the point of composing a track is definitely not to have someone rip ideas from it.

blue eyez is still a tune though...!

Again, I am not justifying this but for everyone that's all up at arms about this, lets talk about the practicality:

contakt321 wrote: Where would he actually credit said midi loop company?

I mean, most releases these days are digital, some are 12"s. The 12"s are frequently in a generic die cut jacket.

Where should he credit them? In the song title "(featuring blah blah blah midi loops)"
On the center label? Many mix and mastering engineers frequently aren't credited there either.

I am curious what the company expects.

doesn't bother me tbh, as long as the end product is good the thats all that matters to me

remedial wrote: this is a track someone has composed (albeit a MIDI one).. and the riff, chords and guitar line have all been lifted. this is a bit different from tweaking a preset and then composing your own track.

Yeah actually, I agree with that so I'll admit I was horribly wrong lol. I just think people get too up in arms about sampling. Skream made it far better than it was originally, and thats that. I refuse to believe that anyone can own a riff but thats me.

And yeah it is a tune

remedial wrote:

neutral wrote:Someone else makes a sound, you dick about with it and put it in a dub. Same thing to me. As long as the entire track isnt the same why should it matter where the sound comes from?

this is a track someone has composed (albeit a MIDI one).. and the riff, chords and guitar line have all been lifted. this is a bit different from tweaking a preset and then composing your own track. after all, the whole point of VST's is to make music with them..the point of composing a track is definitely not to have someone rip ideas from it.

blue eyez is still a tune though...!

It isn't the point, the point is to create something that someone will hopefully enjoy but if you write something good invariably people are going to rip ideas from it. Midnight Request Line is nearly responsible for the way the entire genre of dubstep sounds right now for example.

yeah i don't see any problem with taking influence from tracks, as a lot of the time its a subconcious thing anyway, but this is different. it doesn't sound slightly like it - it is nearly identical. there wasn't even an attempt to make it ambiguous.

contakt321 wrote:Again, I am not justifying this but for everyone that's all up at arms about this, lets talk about the practicality:

contakt321 wrote: Where would he actually credit said midi loop company?

I mean, most releases these days are digital, some are 12"s. The 12"s are frequently in a generic die cut jacket.

Where should he credit them? In the song title "(featuring blah blah blah midi loops)"
On the center label? Many mix and mastering engineers frequently aren't credited there either.

I am curious what the company expects.

why do you keep asking this question? if somebody wants to answer it they'll answer it. to answer your question, it's the same when artists get permission to use a sample. generally speaking when this sort of stuff is done and the person who composed the original finds out it is kind of assumed that they are deserving of at least some sort of credit. wheter it be financial or at least a mention in the linear notes.

honestly who cares where he got the sound from the tunes a jam either way if he made the sound or not

do i hold it against him, or think less of him... not really..


but it is a pretty fucking weak thing to do

tripwire22 wrote:honestly who cares where he got the sound from the tunes a jam either way if he made the sound or not

just for clarification... IT'S NOT THE SOUND HE 'JACKED'... it's the song arrangement and composition