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jolly wailer wrote:

truefiktion wrote:

grimesceneinvestigation wrote:

seckle wrote:its the same thing as saying "this is the first ever jungle tune." impossible. there's dozens of tunes at the end of acid/hardcore (1988-1990) days that you could call the start of jungle.

many people claim "we are ie" to have made that essential breaktrough tho

This and moments in love must have been the very beginning because they wasnt remixed by caspa and that till later on.

are you taking the piss?

my word i chat shit, i just read this back and realised im a retard...lol i dont know how far Four Tet goes back but his sounds sound very influential

please just stop making up ideas of what you think was the first tunes were. It just creates falsities. The reason I am so bothered by this is because a genre and scene has to look to its past in order to move forward, especially in times of crisis. The newer heads don't need a false education.

Plenty of room for debate but...

anything before 2000= coincidentally sonically similar to dubstep but almost certainly had no effect on the scenius that forged the sound.

pinch= great but LOL if you think he was the first.

Burial and Skream= massively, massively important, but not the first.

Horsepower, El-B, Zeb Bias, Artwerk, Zinc, DMZ, Wonder (for the half-step crew) and a few more could all lay a claim in different ways.

Just defining the genre is impossible

let alone defining the single first tune

i wouldn't be surprised if RDJ made dubstep way back.

Technically, if you think about it, dubstep started when bob marley made tracks

truefiktion wrote:Technically, if you think about it, dubstep started when bob marley made tracks

Sentinels wrote:please just stop making up ideas of what you think was the first tunes were. It just creates falsities. The reason I am so bothered by this is because a genre and scene has to look to its past in order to move forward, especially in times of crisis. The newer heads don't need a false education.

Plenty of room for debate but...

anything before 2000= coincidentally sonically similar to dubstep but almost certainly had no effect on the scenius that forged the sound.

pinch= great but LOL if you think he was the first.

Burial and Skream= massively, massively important, but not the first.

Horsepower, El-B, Zeb Bias, Artwerk, Zinc, DMZ, Wonder (for the half-step crew) and a few more could all lay a claim in different ways.

here here!

truefiktion wrote:Technically, if you think about it, dubstep started when bob marley made tracks

I hope your joking

back in the day, i used to play b-sides of weird glitchy electro breaks tunes at 33rpm rather than 45bpm and it sounded ALOT like dubstep...

some son of the electric ghost vinyl stands out in my mind.

prisoner wrote:
Wonder - 'What' was out in like '04.

anyone got any audio for this?

craig wrote:

THIS. May not be dubstep, but its all amazing...

Sentinels wrote:anything before 2000= coincidentally sonically similar to dubstep but almost certainly had no effect on the scenius that forged the sound.

Horsepower, El-B, Zeb Bias, Artwerk, Zinc, DMZ, Wonder (for the half-step crew) and a few more could all lay a claim in different ways.

thank fuck for the voice of reason. To quote Blackdown from THIS thread in 2005 (!):

blackdown wrote:people need to separate 'cause' and 'coincidence.'

jcw_walsh wrote:

prisoner wrote:
Wonder - 'What' was out in like '04.

anyone got any audio for this?

Dub Fiend wrote:Hey all,

I did a search and couldn't find anything on this, but I was wondering what people think the first Dubstep track ever was? I've done a bit of research and I've heard Distance's "Horizon"... Even though most of it is Dark Garage, the beat goes half time at one point in the track and it sounds like that is the beginning of the Dubstep sound


Dub Fiend

probably one of ruskos mainstream tunes

Wolverine wrote:imo this is the very first dubstep tune, made in 1983!!!

Brilliant!

Obviously there is no answer but I'd say Sounds of Da Future seems to mark a change.
Horsepower n El-B sound like garage to me, but that track is something else...

i say 1997 off the northern circuits compilation from interchill the first track by watershell, we!!!!!! def some dubstep going on there! got that shit on vinyl!!!!!

http://www.discogs.com/Various-Northern ... ase/396035

Wonders- What also became the instrumental for Dizzee Rascal's track Respect Me off of his second LP Showtime. This kind of highlights the crossover appeal of the tune, at a time when the scenes and genres were fracturing. Benga and Coki's Night would be a modern equivalent, crossing into grime, funky and dubstep.

Also its worth noting that dubstep had long taken its moniker before the heavy introduction of the reggae tinged offbeat stabs. The ragga/dancehall sample vocals had been there on and off since Speed Garage however.

Hibbie wrote:

truefiktion wrote:Technically, if you think about it, dubstep started when bob marley made tracks

I hope your joking

LOL gullible fools, my point is its impossible to say who started dubstep

In all fairness to people who listed music before 2000 :

Sure, there is no such thing as a social vacuüm, so artists from before (I'm thinking, Scorn, Autechre, Muslimgauze and a lot of garage/2-step/grime producers will probably have influenced producers who are generally heralded as the 'inventors' of dubstep. (they have all been mentioned by now, El-B, HPP, Wonder,....). This is often an indirect influence, a musical baggage carried from earlier days but that is not enough to start a genre.

You need a concept, a mindset, parties, and most importantly an audience. I believe this was achieved by any of the producers who emerged in the early 21ste century.
As for me, I'd like to think as 'Wonder - What as a good starting point, because El-B and horsepower and a few others have still a very large garaga and 2-step baggage. It could ba argued that Wonder - What is still firmly rooted in grime.
If you want to keep things in the middle ground, I go for DMZ - Horror Show/Jah Fire/Lost City.

But that's part of the mystery and excitement of dubstep : you can't pinpoint it to a single artist or track. I love it!

joeki wrote:In all fairness to people who listed music before 2000 :

Sure, there is no such thing as a social vacuüm, so artists from before (I'm thinking, Scorn, Autechre, Muslimgauze and a lot of garage/2-step/grime producers will probably have influenced producers who are generally heralded as the 'inventors' of dubstep. (they have all been mentioned by now, El-B, HPP, Wonder,....). This is often an indirect influence, a musical baggage carried from earlier days but that is not enough to start a genre.

You need a concept, a mindset, parties, and most importantly an audience. I believe this was achieved by any of the producers who emerged in the early 21ste century.
As for me, I'd like to think as 'Wonder - What as a good starting point, because El-B and horsepower and a few others have still a very large garaga and 2-step baggage. It could ba argued that Wonder - What is still firmly rooted in grime.
If you want to keep things in the middle ground, I go for DMZ - Horror Show/Jah Fire/Lost City.

But that's part of the mystery and excitement of dubstep : you can't pinpoint it to a single artist or track. I love it!

This 100%,