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curly123 wrote:I get what you're saying but, surely if your buisness relies on it you would make the effort? But fair play to dj's that have switched to cdj's because of clubs not setting up turntables properly, just wondered what other people had to add on the subject

My best experience to date was a sound engineer employed at "The Rainbow" in Birmingham trying to tell me that there was nothing wrong with a Technics 1200 he had set up, when it was blatantly obvious the tone arm was fucked and wouldn't move further than about a third of the way into a tune before refusing to move, literally took me about 10 mins of chatting for him to admit this fact. Was shit as I have played there a bunch of times and the equipment has been fine. Also to the CD Dj's, i did notice that someone had kindly managed to melt on of the CD-J 1000's in there as well.


also to move away from everything been negative I started this thread to highlight some of the decent places people have played at - http://www.dubstepforum.com/posting.php?mode=post&f=1

Be-1ne wrote: cutting dubs makes you more selective about what tracks your going to play. the whole digital thing is so throw away its really sad that people have such little attachment to something so artistic as music. The one question i would always ask is, if you had to invest in what you do and couldn't just download everything off the net for free, would you be doing what you do?

In most cases people would go, no i wouldnt invest and i dont give a shit as its free

:'(

I've never got any dubs cut, but I was a full on vinyl purist for about 8 or 9 years (I used to slag off people who used CDJ's big time back then... ). I've been using Serato for about 7 or 8 months now and I would say I'm still equally as selective with the tunes I purchase! Possibly even more so... weirdly!

jam1 wrote:

Be-1ne wrote: cutting dubs makes you more selective about what tracks your going to play. the whole digital thing is so throw away its really sad that people have such little attachment to something so artistic as music. The one question i would always ask is, if you had to invest in what you do and couldn't just download everything off the net for free, would you be doing what you do?

In most cases people would go, no i wouldnt invest and i dont give a shit as its free

:'(

I've never got any dubs cut, but I was a full on vinyl purist for about 8 or 9 years (I used to slag off people who used CDJ's big time back then... ). I've been using Serato for about 7 or 8 months now and I would say I'm still equally as selective with the tunes I purchase! Possibly even more so... weirdly!

I agree with what your saying. But you are coming from a vinyl buyers background. I think the whole mind set is different. I mean I got given a gift voucher for Emusic for xmas. free music! I cant spend the bloody thing as i will only get stuff i know will get listened to and their site is an utter ball ache to navigate.

wooda916 wrote:I dont care what anyone says, CDJ's take out 90% of the fun and skill of mixing.

and digital music encorages disposable music. A tune can easily rot away on a hardrive lost in the mire of ones and zeros. Theres nothing better than flicking through a crate of wax and digging out old gems. Especially when there a bit crackley. Vinyl also encourages you to look after and cherish the music.

Just my opinion ofcourse.

THIS.

Used to mix on CDJs but found myself downloading tracks and half the time just forgetting to burn them. I cant wait for a few years time when i come across my old wax collection and listen back to it. Cant see that you would get the same feel just going to your itunes and pressing shuffle.

Sparxy wrote:

LA_Boxers wrote: Agree with most of that. Although not sure about the ''cant mix until you can do it on vinyl'' part. Im sure pretty much everybody involved with dubstep would prefer to DJ on vinyl, but its just not do-able for some. Im a CDJ DJ, i had vinyl when i was about 15-18 (25 now) so technically i could DJ with vinyl, but i use CDs now due to not being able to afford, or have the space for vinyl. I would love to play out on purely vinyl but unfortunatly i cant. Totally agree about the digital controllers part though. Not really sure using serato vinyl is any 'better' than using CDs though?!

This is exactly the same for me. I started on wax and can spin on it no problem but just found I couldn't keep with it anymore.

Buying vinyl isn't financially viable anymore. Yes I like vinyl, it's lovely to DJ with. But I find firstly that most of the clubs I play in thesedays have shitty decks that have been ABUSED. Secondly - vinyl degrades over time, can get scratched, get stuff spilt ont it, get lost, stolen... with CDs i've always got my files backed up in multiple places. It doesn't matter if I lose my entire CD wallet, I can still re-burn them all. Add to the fact I can get tunes as MP3s for under £2, vinyls cost upwards of £6 in most instances thesedays.

I don't want to spend money supporting a format / culture that isn't being supported by the clubs because simply put, I will be left behind!

Agree whole heartedly with both. I started as vinyl only DJ then bought CDJ's as some tracks don't come out on vinyl, or there released earlier digitally (some not all). That + the fact that 3 decking is so much fun

I think the main problem, which has been bnought up loads in this post. Is that so many clubs don't service there decks/needles etc. Nothing more annoying then cueing a vinyl and then it skips where ya meant to drop it, then have to wait. Meaning ya long the mix out. you get bored and probs some of the crowd to.
I think it depends on style of mixing. But if you pride yaself on quick mixing then ya need CDj's as well to help this

its gutting to see it going down

i cant use cdjs personally tbh though

Pistonsbeneath wrote:its gutting to see it going down

i cant use cdjs personally tbh though

I know your'e a proper vinyl head Piston (respect to that btw). With Technics ceasing production. How long will it take do you think untill all club promoters replace there technics with a new make i.e. vestax. And what make do you think will become the industry standard?

Foul Matta wrote:

Pistonsbeneath wrote:its gutting to see it going down

i cant use cdjs personally tbh though

I know your'e a proper vinyl head Piston (respect to that btw). With Technics ceasing production. How long will it take do you think untill all club promoters replace there technics with a new make i.e. vestax. And what make do you think will become the industry standard?

surely theres gonna be loads of 1210s sitting about that have been manufactured before they ceased production?

to me though all decks are decks and i have shitty stantons at home and they do the job

main difference is pitchchasing method needed

plenty of spare 1200/1210 parts around though isnt there?

curly123 wrote:I get what you're saying but, surely if your buisness relies on it you would make the effort? But fair play to dj's that have switched to cdj's because of clubs not setting up turntables properly, just wondered what other people had to add on the subject

Here's the things, though, the clubs' business doesn't rely on them having great equipment for playing out vinyl. There are far more CDJ DJs now than ever before, and most clubs get by just putting on DJs that use them and them alone.

I've never used CDJs in my life, and a part of me wants it to stay that way, but in order to be a DJ that appeals to lots of people, a key factor is new/unreleased tunes to play out. Not just that, but on a personal level I want to mix the newest stuff with the old. If someone wants to cut a dub, they have to spend a lot of money, whereas if you just want to try and master your track well and send it to some DJs, it's free. I'd love it if more up and coming artists cut dubs, but it's just not financially justifiable with so many CDJ DJs and so on.

I get by with my shitty numark turntables, but now I feel like i need to buy at least one CDJ, in order for me to start playing the newest stuff, because when you're not a top DJ, you don't just come into possession of dubplates, and even if you aren't a well-known DJ, i assume you don't get given as many dubplates as a DJ might have done a few years ago.

Hi Horus.

Problem with CDJ's is that dj's can download crap mp3's where's when it was just vinyl 80% of the time it would sound better...

charliefoy wrote:Hi Horus.

haha, hello foy.