SCope13 wrote:You gotta realize why some people are so against brostep though. All the culture, and the entire sound itself has been lost and taken over <25 kids thinking they know everything about dubstep. I try to take a middle ground on the debate, but I lean to the "real" dubstep side of things.
Agreed but I wouldn't agree with the age thing. I'm 19 and got into electronic music because of my brother being hugely into jungle whilst I was growing up. It's got nothing to do with age. Dubstep was created to be intelligent. I see plenty of 25+ raving about "brostep". It's just a dumbed down watered down version of the real thing.
it's got everything to do with age. obviously there's exceptions, but for the most part, it's a bunch of teens and college kids who are just caught up in this gimmick of FILTHY LOL... every generation has its stupid shit that gets really popular, the teens of this generation have justin bieber and brostep....
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Re: "if it wasnt for brostep"
Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 12:59 pm
by Dr Bloodnugget
ultraspatial wrote:
Phigure wrote:
Dr Bloodnugget wrote:
SCope13 wrote:You gotta realize why some people are so against brostep though. All the culture, and the entire sound itself has been lost and taken over <25 kids thinking they know everything about dubstep. I try to take a middle ground on the debate, but I lean to the "real" dubstep side of things.
Agreed but I wouldn't agree with the age thing. I'm 19 and got into electronic music because of my brother being hugely into jungle whilst I was growing up. It's got nothing to do with age. Dubstep was created to be intelligent. I see plenty of 25+ raving about "brostep". It's just a dumbed down watered down version of the real thing.
it's got everything to do with age. obviously there's exceptions, but for the most part, it's a bunch of teens and college kids who are just caught up in this gimmick of FILTHY LOL... every generation has its stupid shit that gets really popular, the teens of this generation have justin bieber and brostep....
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If theres exceptions then it doesn't have everything to do with age does it. I've studied music and played instruments for over 10 years of my life. Music can be a trendsetter for any age group, it's all down to the individuals mind. Just because somebody has more digits behind their name doesn't mean they're any more mature/intelligent or necessarily listen to different music.
Re: "if it wasnt for brostep"
Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 1:02 pm
by Dataloss
Dr Bloodnugget wrote:
ultraspatial wrote:
Phigure wrote:
Dr Bloodnugget wrote:
SCope13 wrote:You gotta realize why some people are so against brostep though. All the culture, and the entire sound itself has been lost and taken over <25 kids thinking they know everything about dubstep. I try to take a middle ground on the debate, but I lean to the "real" dubstep side of things.
Agreed but I wouldn't agree with the age thing. I'm 19 and got into electronic music because of my brother being hugely into jungle whilst I was growing up. It's got nothing to do with age. Dubstep was created to be intelligent. I see plenty of 25+ raving about "brostep". It's just a dumbed down watered down version of the real thing.
it's got everything to do with age. obviously there's exceptions, but for the most part, it's a bunch of teens and college kids who are just caught up in this gimmick of FILTHY LOL... every generation has its stupid shit that gets really popular, the teens of this generation have justin bieber and brostep....
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If theres exceptions then it doesn't have everything to do with age does it. I've studied music and played instruments for over 10 years of my life. Music can be a trendsetter for any age group, it's all down to the individuals mind. Just because somebody has more digits behind their name doesn't mean they're any more mature/intelligent or necessarily listen to different music.
truth.
seems like the opposition sees in black an white.
Re: "if it wasnt for brostep"
Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 2:28 pm
by ultraspatial
Most times being older means being more mature... but yeah, stupid pricks will be stupid pricks, regardless of age. I've seen 30 y.o. muscle assholes moshing to brostep, 40+ y.o. drunk neonazi bikers picking fights with kids at hardcore shows... so yeah, age isn't all that important when it comes to music.
But young people are the ones that go to raves the most, they have more contact with the scenes and it's towards them that brostep is marketed.
Re: "if it wasnt for brostep"
Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 2:41 pm
by Dr Bloodnugget
Most times being older means being more mature... but yeah, stupid pricks will be stupid pricks, regardless of age. I've seen 30 y.o. muscle assholes moshing to brostep, 40+ y.o. drunk neonazi bikers picking fights with kids at hardcore shows... so yeah, age isn't all that important when it comes to music.
But young people are the ones that go to raves the most, they have more contact with the scenes and it's towards them that brostep is marketed.
The raves that me and friends attend and play at are always crowded with teens. However the sound pushed is always oldschool. All vinyl mixes including dark garage old jungle etc. You'd be surprised how many youngsters love the older sound!
Re: "if it wasnt for brostep"
Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 3:04 pm
by ultraspatial
I'm not saying young people don't like dubstep...
I'm just sayin that we have the most exposure to it, be it brostep or otherwise. And artists like Magnetic Man and Nero are played on MTV, actually I saw Nero's "Promises" #1 on some mtv rock chart. I don't see Mala being on there.
Re: "if it wasnt for brostep"
Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 3:16 pm
by Dr Bloodnugget
ultraspatial wrote:I'm not saying young people don't like dubstep...
I'm just sayin that we have the most exposure to it, be it brostep or otherwise. And artists like Magnetic Man and Nero are played on MTV, actually I saw Nero's "Promises" #1 on some mtv rock chart. I don't see Mala being on there.
Admittedly the exposure is aimed at the younger. However the internet is mainly what spreads sounds nowadays. With shows like GetDarker and nights like DMZ more of the younger crowd are getting into the original sound. I wouldn't say it's raves pushing the brostep sound. It's clubs really.
Go out and ask people if they heard about Skrillex. Then ask them about DMZ.
Of course there are promoters for both scenes, but largely, it's skrillex, nero, borgore and the like that have the most fans.
Re: "if it wasnt for brostep"
Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 4:00 pm
by Dr Bloodnugget
Skrillex isn't a dubstep producer he admitted it himself. I know it's annoying to see the youth refer to it as dubstep. And btw, would love to see Mala on pimp my ride.... Does MTV even show music anymore haha?
Re: "if it wasnt for brostep"
Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 4:27 pm
by ultraspatial
haha I dunno, probably not. That chart I was mentioning was the only time I've watched mtv in years. I wasn't saying that skrillex is dubstep, I was just saying that that's the face of it. When you say dubstep people think of skrillex, flux, borgore, nero, datsik, magnetic man or even more pop stuff like katy b. It's sad.
Re: "if it wasnt for brostep"
Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 4:28 pm
by Cuddlemonster
Dr Bloodnugget wrote:Does MTV even show music anymore haha?
Y2K, man. It messed up everything.
Re: "if it wasnt for brostep"
Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 5:12 pm
by Dr Bloodnugget
ultraspatial wrote:haha I dunno, probably not. That chart I was mentioning was the only time I've watched mtv in years. I wasn't saying that skrillex is dubstep, I was just saying that that's the face of it. When you say dubstep people think of skrillex, flux, borgore, nero, datsik, magnetic man or even more pop stuff like katy b. It's sad.
I know what you're saying. I think the genre in it's roots is to experimental to even have a face.
Re: "if it wasnt for brostep"
Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 5:17 pm
by ultraspatial
Dr Bloodnugget wrote:
ultraspatial wrote:haha I dunno, probably not. That chart I was mentioning was the only time I've watched mtv in years. I wasn't saying that skrillex is dubstep, I was just saying that that's the face of it. When you say dubstep people think of skrillex, flux, borgore, nero, datsik, magnetic man or even more pop stuff like katy b. It's sad.
I know what you're saying. I think the genre in it's roots is to experimental to even have a face.
Yeah, exactly. So many different takes on it, and it all sounded good. Nowadays it's still diverse, but I think there's a lot of bandwagoning going on. Somebody comes with a new approach, it's all hyped up for about a month, then it's something else, and so on.
Re: "if it wasnt for brostep"
Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 6:00 pm
by Dr Bloodnugget
ultraspatial wrote:
Dr Bloodnugget wrote:
ultraspatial wrote:haha I dunno, probably not. That chart I was mentioning was the only time I've watched mtv in years. I wasn't saying that skrillex is dubstep, I was just saying that that's the face of it. When you say dubstep people think of skrillex, flux, borgore, nero, datsik, magnetic man or even more pop stuff like katy b. It's sad.
I know what you're saying. I think the genre in it's roots is to experimental to even have a face.
Yeah, exactly. So many different takes on it, and it all sounded good. Nowadays it's still diverse, but I think there's a lot of bandwagoning going on. Somebody comes with a new approach, it's all hyped up for about a month, then it's something else, and so on.
Thus said there's some DECENT mid range going on. Similar to a lot of the older stuff. I find a lot of tracks lack atmosphere these days. Seems there's no indication to what they're about. Just pointless noise.
Re: "if it wasnt for brostep"
Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 6:14 pm
by ultraspatial
Dr Bloodnugget wrote:
ultraspatial wrote:
Dr Bloodnugget wrote:
ultraspatial wrote:haha I dunno, probably not. That chart I was mentioning was the only time I've watched mtv in years. I wasn't saying that skrillex is dubstep, I was just saying that that's the face of it. When you say dubstep people think of skrillex, flux, borgore, nero, datsik, magnetic man or even more pop stuff like katy b. It's sad.
I know what you're saying. I think the genre in it's roots is to experimental to even have a face.
Yeah, exactly. So many different takes on it, and it all sounded good. Nowadays it's still diverse, but I think there's a lot of bandwagoning going on. Somebody comes with a new approach, it's all hyped up for about a month, then it's something else, and so on.
Thus said there's some DECENT mid range going on. Similar to a lot of the older stuff. I find a lot of tracks lack atmosphere these days. Seems there's no indication to what they're about. Just pointless noise.
I hear you man, atmosphere is the first thing I look for. There is some ok party music, I guess, but it gets old fast if it doesn't have any depth to it. I like some magnetic man, a few nero tunes and so on, but it's nothing i can play tens of times, you know? Take Vex'd for instance, I can listen to Degenerate hours on end and always find something new to it everytime.
Re: "if it wasnt for brostep"
Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 6:28 pm
by garethom
ultraspatial wrote:
I hear you man, atmosphere is the first thing I look for.
Re: "if it wasnt for brostep"
Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 6:58 pm
by _TraX_
hahaha...yup....Thanks Skrillex....
Re: "if it wasnt for brostep"
Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 8:28 pm
by ultraspatial
I do find one thing interesting: the fact that it's not the brostep producers signed to majors, with the exception of Skrillex.
Magnetic Man and Katy B are on Columbia (+ remixes from the likes of Royal-T, Caspa, Zinc, Girl Unit etc), Nero & 16bit on MTA/Mercury. Not to mention all the stuff on Island Records UK, Distance being signed, plus people like Breakage, Photek, Mensah, Disclosure, MJ Cole, Nu:Tone and Roni Size handling production and remixes for the likes of Jess Mills and Josh Osho.
Re: "if it wasnt for brostep"
Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 10:08 pm
by Dr Bloodnugget
ultraspatial wrote:
Dr Bloodnugget wrote:
ultraspatial wrote:
Dr Bloodnugget wrote:
ultraspatial wrote:haha I dunno, probably not. That chart I was mentioning was the only time I've watched mtv in years. I wasn't saying that skrillex is dubstep, I was just saying that that's the face of it. When you say dubstep people think of skrillex, flux, borgore, nero, datsik, magnetic man or even more pop stuff like katy b. It's sad.
I know what you're saying. I think the genre in it's roots is to experimental to even have a face.
Yeah, exactly. So many different takes on it, and it all sounded good. Nowadays it's still diverse, but I think there's a lot of bandwagoning going on. Somebody comes with a new approach, it's all hyped up for about a month, then it's something else, and so on.
Thus said there's some DECENT mid range going on. Similar to a lot of the older stuff. I find a lot of tracks lack atmosphere these days. Seems there's no indication to what they're about. Just pointless noise.
I hear you man, atmosphere is the first thing I look for. There is some ok party music, I guess, but it gets old fast if it doesn't have any depth to it. I like some magnetic man, a few nero tunes and so on, but it's nothing i can play tens of times, you know? Take Vex'd for instance, I can listen to Degenerate hours on end and always find something new to it everytime.
I was talking more along the lines of Jakes, dark tantrums, kromestar, requake etc
