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_cheef_ wrote:

prisoner wrote:the music isn't yours to do with what you want.

i wish more labels would take ownership of their music on youtube.

instead of letting retards post pictures of half naked chicks to their music.

facbook "like"

Sad that people these days rely on YouTube so much. I know, I know... It's easy, and everything needs to be easy in today's world, lol. I remember when the only link you had to a song was in a reel of magnetic tape, we've come a long way. The hard reality is that most signed tunes are going to continue being pulled into their labels YouTube Chanel and they have the right to do so. The songs are still there, they are just in a different spot. This helps people learn labels imo. Maybe kids will do work again and visit record shops, soundlcoud accounts, research labels and artists, listen to rinse or sub fm, download some of the hundreds of mixes that are available each week or come onto the forum and find some tunes... Or maybe they will just continue to use whatever they can find in poor quality on YouTube since its "easy". YouTube put brostep on the map because the quality of music equals the efforts and passions of the listeners imho

seckle wrote:not nearly a straw man example...here are three massive tunes on YT just to further my point...

benga & coki night search on YT
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_q ... aq=f&aql=f
First 20 results, 15 videos have adsense.

skream midnight RL search on YT
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_q ... aq=f&aql=t
First 20 results, 13 videos have adsense.

la roux in for the kill search on YT
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_q ... aq=f&aql=t
First 20 results, 17 have adsense

Maybe it's because I have Adblock, but I don't see ads on any of those. If that's the case, then I can't really really comment on adsense.

in the grand scheme of things, adsense is half of the problem. When you click upload on a video, you give youtube authorization to playback that tune. this means that when the label legitimately uploads the tune to a VEVO acct lets say, which is the revenue system that does support the labels and artists, they in turn lose clicks on all these other bullshit uploads kicking about.
http://www.youtube.com/user/MagneticManVideo
http://www.youtube.com/user/rinsefm

I agree with this. But in many cases, the label/artist doesn't have a youtube channel. If that's the case I don't really see what's the harm.

Complaining about youtube channels and "entitlement" seems like a silly thing to me in a culture filled with illegal samples, bootleg 12" white labels, and mixes filled with other people's tunes.

Ive seen about 10 channels in 2011 that has been removed due to z audio, alot of cyrus, tunnidge, skream, benga, rsd, tes la rok, deep medi stuff and silkie stuff, most over 50 k views. fucking hell. our only hope now is dubsteptunez, brostepisshit and subdubstep.

whos the mentally disturbed head of z audio?

edit: no, i dont illegally download tunes. but youtube is clearly a good way to promote dubstep, and the people who say its good that full tracks get removed from youtube, how are you thinking?

fractal wrote:Maybe kids will do work again and visit record shops, soundlcoud accounts, research labels and artists, listen to rinse or sub fm, download some of the hundreds of mixes that are available each week or come onto the forum and find some tunes... Or maybe they will just continue to use whatever they can find in poor quality on YouTube since its "easy".

What a load of fucking bollocks. I love your ridiculous and patronising assumption that someone who likes to use Youtube to find new music therefore does nothing else but use Youtube to do that - its just another platform. Besides, you say "maybe kids will do work again and ... research labels and artists" - that's exactly what people like me are doing when they're browsing through Youtube for new music and whatnot. Also, you use the example of browsing Soundcloud accounts - what's the difference (in terms of the way you discover new music using it) between doing that and browsing Youtube?

You're completely missing the point.

plus I'm pretty sure I've seen you post youtube music videos numerous times on here so if you're so against the idea of using youtube to listen to and discover new music then why post them?

Im pretty sure backspace does not have adverts on any uploads, so he/she doesnt make any money at all from it.

from another thread:

wfg1 wrote:you wana talk about making money off someone else's work...... http://www.discogs.com/Digital-Mystikz- ... ase/619088

is this not profiting off other peoples work? Mala and coki wont see a single penny from any second hand record sold on discogs. is this not worse than the free promotion artists get from channels like backspace?

Channels like that were brilliant for finding music that is in decent enough quality to judge whether you like it or not, and then go on to purchase the music, because lets be honest anyone who downloads their music from YouTube is an idiot. I'm not saying everyone who listens to the tunes is going to buy them afterwards, but the few people who will is surely better than none at all. If they have their own YouTube channel and don't want other people to hinder the amount of views their own uploads would get, then that's fair enough, more exposure for them.

once again:

THE MUSIC IS NOT YOURS AND YOU ARE NOT FREE TO DO WITH IT WHAT YOU CHOOSE

Go fucking listen to clips of new music on places that actually sell the music.

Boomkat, Chemical, Redeye, Phonica, SOTU, ETC. ETC.

Also if you dont see the difference between visiting a label's or an artist's soundcloud vs a random youtube channel then no amount of explaining will help you out.

prisoner wrote:
Also if you dont see the difference between visiting a label's or an artist's soundcloud vs a random youtube channel then no amount of explaining will help you out.

Jake Daniel wrote: Also, you use the example of browsing Soundcloud accounts - what's the difference (in terms of the way you discover new music using it) between doing that and browsing Youtube?

YOU ARE DIRECTLY SUPPORTING THE ARTIST/LABEL WHO IS CHOSING HOW HE OR SHE WANTS HIS OR HER MUSIC REPRESENTED

how is that so hard to grasp?

I was subscribed to backspace, now I realise what an atrocious thing I was therefore advocating. Mala, Distance, Goli & Ashburner, if you're reading, I'm sorry

prisoner wrote:YOU ARE DIRECTLY SUPPORTING THE ARTIST/LABEL WHO IS CHOSING HOW HE OR SHE WANTS HIS OR HER MUSIC REPRESENTED

how is that so hard to grasp?

You're completely missing the point mate. I'm simply talking about the difference between the practicality of listening to new music on either Soundcloud or Youtube. Fractal was essentially saying that listening to music on Youtube doesn't take any work whereas doing the exact same thing on Soundcloud does, somehow ( ). Obviously I get the point that when you're listening to music on an artists' profile on Soundcloud you're listening to the music in the way they wish to present it themselves, but that's not what I'm talking about. The practicality of discovering new music on Soundcloud is the same as the way people discover new music on Youtube.

Like I've said numerous times, I'm not really saying Backspace should have been taken down or not - I'm simply arguing aginst the ignorant view of some people in this thread that channels like Backspace haven't acted as good platforms to spread music and therefore for people to discover new music, which they blatantly have.

I go back to the original point I was arguing with:

seckle wrote:Spare us this " but the channel was helping spread the sound" bullshit. No one in 2011 is going to swallow that cookie anymore.

Did the channel even start in 2011?..

fractal wrote: YouTube put brostep on the map because the quality of music equals the efforts and passions of the listeners imho

Not that I'm into 'brostep' at all but I love your implication that the way that me listening to a lot of music on Youtube = I have little passion for the music and don't put in any effort to discovering new music. Don't think you realise how silly that sounds

And I know I asked before, but would still like to know - hate to have to do it but a quick search of your posts on this forum narrowed down by typing 'youtube' into the search shows that you've posted up shit loads of Youtube music videos before - how can you go and slag off people who listen to music on youtube whilst doing the exact same thing yourself?

fractal wrote:Sad that people these days rely on YouTube so much. I know, I know... It's easy, and everything needs to be easy in today's world, lol. I remember when the only link you had to a song was in a reel of magnetic tape, we've come a long way. The hard reality is that most signed tunes are going to continue being pulled into their labels YouTube Chanel and they have the right to do so. The songs are still there, they are just in a different spot. This helps people learn labels imo. Maybe kids will do work again and visit record shops, soundlcoud accounts, research labels and artists, listen to rinse or sub fm, download some of the hundreds of mixes that are available each week or come onto the forum and find some tunes... Or maybe they will just continue to use whatever they can find in poor quality on YouTube since its "easy". YouTube put brostep on the map because the quality of music equals the efforts and passions of the listeners imho

Why shouldn't good music be easy to find? In the case of Backspace, they actually did put the label name/links to artist soundclouds/etc.

they talk a lot of smack about youtube channels but if they were all gone they would prob change their opinion

you guys are too funny and are super defensive towards anyone who has an opinion that differs from you. (case in point, the way you treat newcomers who DARE to talk about "brostep" on this forum)

the difference between youtube and soundcloud is the artist controls their soundcloud and what is uploaded, seems pretty obvious.

I do use youtube and agree that it is important for labels to maintain a presence on it to make it easy for people. I simply stated that we need to be ready for labels to start killing these channels, as it seems to be the current trend. they have the right to do so. why get defensive about that?

as for the rest, all i commented on was the my feelings on the matter towards the general population of "kids" who are into the sound. when i say "kids" i mean people, not little children or whatever, I'm talking about the people in our culture. if you read the word "maybe", you have to assume that i am making an assumption based on my feelings on the culture, etc, and take it as such. Jack came out like i was calling all people who use youtube lazy and not passionate, which clearly isn't the case if you take the time to read my post. people on this forum are not the majority. we are the few who do take the time to do all the stuff i mentioned. we are music nerds and such. what I'm talking about is the vast majority of people who think dubstep equals halftime beat and wobbles. they far outnumber us, and most of the people on this forum moan about them to no end. what i supposed is that maybe if their main source of access for the sound wasn't youtube, they would be more knowledgable about the sound and its history and the moaning, preaching and attitude would go away...

chill the fuck out

fractal wrote:chill the fuck out

everyone in this thread

sorry for the caps lock banter lol

i shouldn't post while frustrated at work ; )

labels need to step up. that's the bottom line. If you want things to sell well, then you have to make the products easy to sell. In this case, no one is going to buy a record if they don't know how it sounds. the best way to promo music is to have them on sites: youtube, soundcloud, or their own. If labels are not going to do that, that's when channels like backstepdubstep have to step in. People and labels need to realize that they really are an important part of the scene.