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Shonky wrote:

skunkrock wrote:do you think all creative people who put their time into making something unique (artists, producers, designers, chefs, whatever) should give their stuff away for free? cos i certainly don't.

I think he meant available to buy

whatever he meant, these people have creative rights on their creations.

using words like stingy is crazy, we're all blessed to bear hearing some of the tunes around at the moment

skrewface wrote:Trust me, everything leaks anyway . But god forbid you get catched playing it LMAO

You are a joker!

Actually not everything leaks, people like you steal unreleased tunes from internet then you use them to get publicity in your mixes!

You are waste!

skunkrock wrote:

Shonky wrote:

skunkrock wrote:do you think all creative people who put their time into making something unique (artists, producers, designers, chefs, whatever) should give their stuff away for free? cos i certainly don't.

I think he meant available to buy

whatever he meant, these people have creative rights on their creations.

using words like stingy is crazy, we're all blessed to bear hearing some of the tunes around at the moment

Or blessed to be able to hear it if the dj chooses to play it after paying money to go and hear them. I understand the need for exclusivity, but at the same time I can understand why folks really feeling the tunes might want to actually buy them. If they choose not to release fair enough, but I can understand the frustration of those that can't get hold of tunes they want and want to use them in their own mixes. Bit much getting on the attack for someone that's just enthusiastic about the music I think.

no attack from me corpsey, just adding another side to the debate

skunkrock wrote:no attack from me corpsey, just adding another side to the debate

I'm not Corpsey, but no worries

Shonky wrote:

skunkrock wrote:no attack from me corpsey, just adding another side to the debate

I'm not Corpsey, but no worries

You are though, aren't you?

metalboxproducts wrote:

Shonky wrote:

skunkrock wrote:no attack from me corpsey, just adding another side to the debate

I'm not Corpsey, but no worries

You are though, aren't you?

Clues in the name

skunkrock wrote:just be thankful you're in a scene where some stuff makes it down to the end consumer.

Are there scenes where stuff doesnt get to the end consumer?

Surely this is a moment that needs a lol.

Shonky wrote:

skunkrock wrote:no attack from me corpsey, just adding another side to the debate

I'm not Corpsey, but no worries

haha, weekend excesses taking their toll

KIRK wrote:Its true,it costs a lot to put tunes out.
You cant put out every tune you make,its nice for a tune to be exclusive as well.Theres certain tunes that come out and once youve got it its not as special anymore.In a way i like it that not everything reaches the shelves.

Innit, as soon as its released it dosent give people the excuse to listen to your radio show or go to see you at raves etc or go to your myspaz etc.

Shonky wrote:

UFO over easy wrote:because if you could have everything you want, when you wanted it, life would be really boring and no one would have any incentive to do anything for themselves.

Still if you could have life on demand, why the fuck would you want to do anything else? It'd be nice to have that before writing it off as boring, we're not all as priveliged as you Benny boy

in what sense do you think I'm privileged? it's not as if being a dubstep DJ and being given tunes sometimes is a hereditary trait. I have to work at it. I do it because I enjoy it but I'd be lying if I said the exclusivity thing wasn't a factor. It's nice to be able to do things others can't, but it's not as if that just lands on your plate without putting anything into the scene. In essence, exclusivity ensures the continued growth of the scene - if you don't put anything in, you don't get anything back. If everyone just had access to everything, firstly there'd be no excitement about anything, and no anticipation of anything, and secondly there wouldn't be any incentive to start anything for yourself.

i hate to admit it, but without dubplate culture undeground music would be boring as. Everyone would be playing the same tunes.

Its much better when its just all the big name DJs playing the same tunes.

Batfink wrote:without dubplate culture undeground music would be boring as. Everyone would be playing the same tunes.

exactly. as it is, if you're a new DJ, you push the producers whose tunes you play. in finding your own niche you have an incentive to actively promote new music - up and comers and smaller labels.

UFO over easy wrote:

Shonky wrote:

UFO over easy wrote:because if you could have everything you want, when you wanted it, life would be really boring and no one would have any incentive to do anything for themselves.

Still if you could have life on demand, why the fuck would you want to do anything else? It'd be nice to have that before writing it off as boring, we're not all as priveliged as you Benny boy

in what sense do you think I'm privileged? it's not as if being a dubstep DJ and being given tunes sometimes is a hereditary trait. I have to work at it. I do it because I enjoy it but I'd be lying if I said the exclusivity thing wasn't a factor. It's nice to be able to do things others can't, but it's not as if that just lands on your plate without putting anything into the scene. In essence, exclusivity ensures the continued growth of the scene - if you don't put anything in, you don't get anything back. If everyone just had access to everything, firstly there'd be no excitement about anything, and no anticipation of anything, and secondly there wouldn't be any incentive to start anything for yourself.

Calm down fella, was just a joke on your roots, not on your dubstep credentials (which are of course impeccable ).

By work, I presume you mean playing a few nights and establishing a rep, then asking producers for tunes that they will give you the yay or nay on. I presume as well that if those producers are sending out tunes to 50 or so people on a mailing list then it won't be quite exclusive enough. So from the producers perspective, should they only send tunes to 1 or 2 dj's that will definitely play them or should they continue sending them out to all and then risk not being played for not being exclusive enough?

To be honest I always thought that the argument was that if you gave ten different dj's the same records they'd combine them in different and interesting ways unique to them, maybe the exclusivity thing to some people is that you don't necessarily have to be that good a dj if you've got the right tunes (certainly worked for me in the past ).

And by "some people" I'm not referring to you me old son

Batfink wrote:i hate to admit it, but without dubplate culture undeground music would be boring as. Everyone would be playing the same tunes.

Its much better when its just all the big name DJs playing the same tunes.

Can't figure out whether that's taking the piss or not

I wasn't worked up, was just curious

I think what Batfink meant was that dubplate culture ensures that it's only the big DJs playing the same tunes - rather than every DJ in the entire scene playing the same tunes

UFO over easy wrote:I wasn't worked up, was just curious

I think what Batfink meant was that dubplate culture ensures that it's only the big DJs playing the same tunes - rather than every DJ in the entire scene playing the same tunes

I think there's something that just generally jars with my socialist principles about this sort of thing - we have, you're not allowed type vibe. I think if there was more emphasis on interesting mixing and selection and less on exclusives (and let's face it not all exclusives are necessarily good) it might not be such a big issue. Most of the big dj's are good because they know how to work a crowd rather than because they have a tune unique to them.

To be honest a lot of music I don't really get to grips with on the night because I'm to busy being in the moment (or more likely drinking and chatting) and so I don't really get a feel for the tune until I buy it and listen to it at my own leisure and I think on that level that's why it'd be nice to actually get to hear them outside of their environment. And no, listening to them in mixes is not the same to my mind.

I know what you mean. I definitely am a bit biased..

but you're right, whether you approve of this kinda thing is pretty dependant on what you think about property rights more generally. personally I think it's quite a difficult issue, as with something as creative and expressive as music, what a producer makes can be extremely personal. To my mind they have a right to keep that sort of stuff locked down if they want to. but equally, as you say, it does get really tiresome going to a night, and hearing all the same tunes mixed really uncreatively.

the goal is to find a happy medium I think. dubstep's a growing scene and inevitably people are going to start treating it like a business - it's in the interests of the major companies to keep the big tunes to a select few DJs on their own rosters. that's a poor justification for dubplate culture by all accounts, and I agree with you in that respect. but I don't think producers should be held accountable to anyone, whether it's their record companies, their agencies, or their fans - they have a right to handle their music as they see fit..

fuck the labels, fuck the agencies, fuck the DJs even - the music should be in the hands of the music makers.

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Shonky wrote:
To be honest a lot of music I don't really get to grips with on the night because I'm to busy being in the moment (or more likely drinking and chatting) and so I don't really get a feel for the tune until I buy it and listen to it at my own leisure and I think on that level that's why it'd be nice to actually get to hear them outside of their environment.

Innit, i never catch most of the tracks at nights unless i know them. If they are good i move, exclusive or not, i normally dont notice anyway.