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Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 1:23 am
by jolly wailer
GAS MONEY AND A BAR TAB AND YR COMPLAINING!!??
Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 1:41 am
by timmyyabas
hectikx wrote:boogs wrote:in an ideal world piracy wouldn't make a big difference to record sales. people actually once used to care more about music and bought the records they liked. Piracy has always been around and tape trading was even a supported culture/movement in the underground. Still bands sold their releases (the tape trading scene actually helped this). Nowadays people sit in front of their computer and download everything, rip everything. That's my main gripe with the whole music scene and it's "listeners", nobody cares about music anymore, it became totally disposable to them. mp3's and everything are very convenient but were people happy with a tape dub of an album they totally dug? fuck all the bloggers and message boards leeching music. I simply can't understand why it is so hard to put well known piracy message boards and torrent sites out of business even if their servers were located on some remote pacific island?
music isn't a commodity to be bought and sold. i care a fuck load about music, but i can barely afford to survive let alone shell out over the odds on new music every week. ive got a 75gb music library and aint payed a penny, apart from all the music thats made in the local scene. but to say i dont love music as much as the next man is bullshit.
theres more to music than the fucking money, theres more to life than money. music can evolve without the need for it be a commodity.
enough money for an internet connection and atleast 75gb of hd space, but you can't pay for the music you supposedly love.
if you can't afford it, don't listen to it.
if you can't get it in the format you want, don't listen to it.
Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 1:53 am
by abZ
Jolly Wailer wrote:GAS MONEY AND A BAR TAB AND YR COMPLAINING!!??
Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 2:06 am
by alien pimp
hurlingdervish wrote:music needs to be seen as an experience not a product.
thats why we have dj's
thats why we need live electronic music popping up
thats why people are weary to buy records. because it has become a product in the eyes of many.
where do you find resources for so much donkey balls you've been blowing here?
Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 2:07 am
by jason burns
hurlingdervish wrote:jason burns wrote:hurlingdervish wrote:jason burns wrote:it is what it is. this is what happens now. to everyone. shit i'm not even a well known producer and my first 2 releases were on every torrent site in like a day. getting mad about it is pointless. if you disagree you are in denial.
all this "should be" and "supposed to be" and "in an ideal world bla bla bla." while we're at it lets end all pain, poverty, and death in the world.
while we are at it why not stop making music?
after all whats the point of having fun if someone else tries to steal your fun?
you've got money confused with fun man. see thats the real value of music. and making music. it's fun. noone CAN steal your fun. and noone can steal the props you get for making a big tune. if your making music for any other reason than having fun and getting respect than you don't deserve a cent anyway. so faaack off.
what man? i totally agree with you thats why i responded.
"stealing your fun" i was being sarcastic aha
having fun is the ONLY reason i make music
my bad i didn't really get your comment i guess.
Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 2:16 am
by jason burns
abZ wrote:I don't really see what is so wrong about making music for money. Any other type of art, people expect to be paid. Music it's a "no no" all of a sudden. Didn't seem to be a no no before file sharing but ok. So now not only am I making no money from production but I am running a label and managing artists for no money. Oh but I guess the money is in live shows. Gas money and a bar tab. I guess I just suck.
it's not a no no to make money. it's the idea that file sharing is going to somehow go away if we all wish hard enough or something. it's just part of the landscape now is all. it's a blessing and a curse.
Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 2:16 am
by jason burns
abZ wrote:I don't really see what is so wrong about making music for money. Any other type of art, people expect to be paid. Music it's a "no no" all of a sudden. Didn't seem to be a no no before file sharing but ok. So now not only am I making no money from production but I am running a label and managing artists for no money. Oh but I guess the money is in live shows. Gas money and a bar tab. I guess I just suck.
it's not a no no to make money. it's the idea that file sharing is going to somehow go away if we all wish hard enough or something. it's just part of the landscape now is all. it's a blessing and a curse.
Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 2:29 am
by aint no use
jason burns wrote:it is what it is. this is what happens now. to everyone. shit i'm not even a well known producer and my first 2 releases were on every torrent site in like a day. getting mad about it is pointless. if you disagree you are in denial.
all this "should be" and "supposed to be" and "in an ideal world bla bla bla." while we're at it lets end all pain, poverty, and death in the world.
I like this attitude man. The industry needs to find a way to adapt to changing market conditions. True artists shouldn't be in it for the $$ anyway.
Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 2:37 am
by abZ
aint no use wrote:jason burns wrote:it is what it is. this is what happens now. to everyone. shit i'm not even a well known producer and my first 2 releases were on every torrent site in like a day. getting mad about it is pointless. if you disagree you are in denial.
all this "should be" and "supposed to be" and "in an ideal world bla bla bla." while we're at it lets end all pain, poverty, and death in the world.
I like this attitude man. The industry needs to find a way to adapt to changing market conditions. True artists shouldn't be in it for the $$ anyway.
True artists still have to eat but ultimately no one will be able to retire on what dubstep will give them so your eyes have to be on the bigger picture or another line of work entirely. Which is fine I guess. Like was said a million times it is what it is but I have to think if more artists where allowed to do music as a job you would have a higher quality piece of art. As it is I am lucky if I can finish a half dozen tunes in a year. *violin is playing* I know.
Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 2:40 am
by aint no use
You guys actually have gotten too me. For a long time I was anti-piracy too. I have over 100 CDs which isn't a lot but more than most of the 19 year old kids I know have. I haven't really bought any for a while though..
Are there any dubstep / idm distros? I know that when I was buying metal albums purchasing them from speciality metal distributors was significantly cheaper than amazon where its like $15 for a CD.
Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 2:44 am
by abZ
aint no use wrote:You guys actually have gotten too me. For a long time I was anti-piracy too. I have over 100 CDs which isn't a lot but more than most of the 19 year old kids I know have. I haven't really bought any for a while though..
Are there any dubstep / idm distros? I know that when I was buying metal albums purchasing them from speciality metal distributors was significantly cheaper than amazon where its like $15 for a CD.
There are tons of them. If you are not a dj you can even buy 192k mp3s from some of them if you want to save cash. Other than that the price is fairly even across the board. Would check out
www.junodownload.com www.digital-tunes.net and
www.beatport.com for starters.
Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 3:05 am
by alien pimp
aint no use wrote:True artists shouldn't be in it for the $$ anyway.
i´m in for milk and cookies
treat me and i´ll give you tunage
also if anyone needs a remix, i trade it for a pair of good headphones
for real, i trade, some people know
but if you steal it i´ll rape you
Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 3:10 am
by aint no use
you can't rape the willing
Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 3:17 am
by alien pimp
i can rape whoever i please, i´m invisible!
so better get those cookies, chocos pls! my music is very gooood!
Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 3:39 am
by abZ
I'll do a rmx for a case of some decent micro-brew. Serious.
Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 3:46 am
by alien pimp
yeah,but you´re a nicer person, i´m an asshole
Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 3:51 am
by abZ
alien pimp wrote:yeah,but you´re a nicer person, i´m an asshole
You obviously don't know me very well
Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 3:57 am
by alien pimp
of course, i would´ve asked for remixes earliear considering the cost/quality
Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 4:12 am
by abZ
alien pimp wrote:of course, i would´ve asked for remixes earliear considering the cost/quality
Hey you never asked
Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 4:20 am
by alien pimp
hey, i´m just trading some milk and cookies for beer, i worked hard for them, but they wanna fuck me, i´m not drinking anymore so i´m kinda out of loop with the exchange rates