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scooterjack wrote:

tripwire22 wrote:honestly who cares where he got the sound from the tunes a jam either way if he made the sound or not

just for clarification... IT'S NOT THE SOUND HE 'JACKED'... it's the song arrangement and composition

i didnt even read the 1st post i just saw everyone complainin... but that is actually more bogus to rip people off like that

It's all about the hype that everyone has build on the genre.. I mean we have really build high hopes on the producers that are pushing the scene.. Then you catch up this shit and its kind of dissappointing you really expect more from these guys..
I remember when I saw that Benga's producer masterclass, man thats some really amateur shit, I respect the man doing some music but the techniques he shared were absolutely ridiculous.

Another example is Mescaline Cola by Zomby -Which uses a raw beat from a sample pack i downloaded recently, and it was disappointing as well.. But then again, It's just the high hopes i had on these guys, because as a producer myself appreciate the effort put on a track, from sound design to composition. (Btw I can upload that sample if anyone wants it)

whooooooooo cares lololol

^
Obviously a lot of people do...

mekha wrote:It's all about the hype that everyone has build on the genre.. I mean we have really build high hopes on the producers that are pushing the scene.. Then you catch up this shit and its kind of dissappointing you really expect more from these guys..
I remember when I saw that Benga's producer masterclass, man thats some really amateur shit, I respect the man doing some music but the techniques he shared were absolutely ridiculous.

Another example is Mescaline Cola by Zomby -Which uses a raw beat from a sample pack i downloaded recently, and it was disappointing as well.. But then again, It's just the high hopes i had on these guys, because as a producer myself appreciate the effort put on a track, from sound design to composition. (Btw I can upload that sample if anyone wants it)

I guess it goes to show you could have a really really well produced track, but unless you have good promotion/hype behind it, then no one will get to hear it, especially if you are unknown or new to the scene.

Ok this is just my personal oppionion. From what I can tell from this stuff going on with Skream he is a sick engineer/sound designer/producer but maybe not so much a composer, he can take a tune and make is sound good which is great!

I have no problem with people sampling a breakbreak/random sample/using someone elses riff to create a new tune however in a case like this where it's pretty much the whole tune which has been nicked my problem is that he's claimed it as his own, it should most definitely be a Skream remix/version!

It's like a band playing note for note covers, nothing wrong with that, they may even get props for doing such a good job but they'll get dissed hard if they try telling anyone that they're their own original songs.

lol whats midi ?

... nothing wrong with a remix * .... AS LONG AS THE ORIGINAL ARTISTS ARE CREDITED

... midi rocks ... and studying other music helps you to make yours better.

you are allowed to sample anything for upto 3 seconds and it doesnt break the copyright laws so drum hits n short vox are ok

where would we be without the amen / dj shadow / etc etc lol ... i hate to think who doesnt sample when they make music ?

i cant think of one artist.

its all well and good till it happens to you.

would you really be ok with some dude on a big-ish record label snagging your entire song?
fuck no you would be pissed.

your entire song...ripped.

thats a remix at least, not a new song.

tripaddict wrote:lol whats midi ?

... nothing wrong with a remix * .... AS LONG AS THE ORIGINAL ARTISTS ARE CREDITED

... midi rocks ... and studying other music helps you to make yours better.

you are allowed to sample anything for upto 3 seconds and it doesnt break the copyright laws so drum hits n short vox are ok

where would we be without the amen / dj shadow / etc etc lol ... i hate to think who doesnt sample when they make music ?

i cant think of one artist.

As far as I know there is no law that says you can sample up to 3 seconds. All sampling of copyrighted material is illegal. We get away with it in electronic music because for the amount of money that is made it is hardly worth going to court over.

abz wrote:

tripaddict wrote:lol whats midi ?

... nothing wrong with a remix * .... AS LONG AS THE ORIGINAL ARTISTS ARE CREDITED

... midi rocks ... and studying other music helps you to make yours better.

you are allowed to sample anything for upto 3 seconds and it doesnt break the copyright laws so drum hits n short vox are ok

where would we be without the amen / dj shadow / etc etc lol ... i hate to think who doesnt sample when they make music ?

i cant think of one artist.

As far as I know there is no law that says you can sample up to 3 seconds. All sampling of copyrighted material is illegal. We get away with it in electronic music because for the amount of money that is made it is hardly worth going to court over.

It is not necessarily illegal. In the US, fair use can be used to justify small samples, but the best course of action is to avoid any sort of legal confrontation.

As for people who don't sample, Autechre comes to mind.

abz wrote:

tripaddict wrote:lol whats midi ?

... nothing wrong with a remix * .... AS LONG AS THE ORIGINAL ARTISTS ARE CREDITED

... midi rocks ... and studying other music helps you to make yours better.

you are allowed to sample anything for upto 3 seconds and it doesnt break the copyright laws so drum hits n short vox are ok

where would we be without the amen / dj shadow / etc etc lol ... i hate to think who doesnt sample when they make music ?

i cant think of one artist.

As far as I know there is no law that says you can sample up to 3 seconds. All sampling of copyrighted material is illegal. We get away with it in electronic music because for the amount of money that is made it is hardly worth going to court over.

different in the US & UK maybe?

Sampling in dubstep?! No way!

Honestly, who cares. The midi files is basically just a layout for the sounds. Tons of songs have the same drum patterns and such, just because Skream's is similar to the midi file doesn't mean he actually used the midi file.

this kind of shit happens all the time, it really doesn't change my view of the artist.

people have borrowed riffs, copied arrangements, sampled other people its all part and parcel of getting to the end result quicker and I applaud that.

my issue at the moment is with the amount of generic, weak copycat music out there and I think finding original sounding dance music which works is getting harder and harder.

samuel sifter wrote:Sampling in dubstep?! No way!

Honestly, who cares. The midi files is basically just a layout for the sounds. Tons of songs have the same drum patterns and such, just because Skream's is similar to the midi file doesn't mean he actually used the midi file.

Very good point.

86 position wrote:

abz wrote:

tripaddict wrote:lol whats midi ?

... nothing wrong with a remix * .... AS LONG AS THE ORIGINAL ARTISTS ARE CREDITED

... midi rocks ... and studying other music helps you to make yours better.

you are allowed to sample anything for upto 3 seconds and it doesnt break the copyright laws so drum hits n short vox are ok

where would we be without the amen / dj shadow / etc etc lol ... i hate to think who doesnt sample when they make music ?

i cant think of one artist.

As far as I know there is no law that says you can sample up to 3 seconds. All sampling of copyrighted material is illegal. We get away with it in electronic music because for the amount of money that is made it is hardly worth going to court over.

different in the US & UK maybe?

Yeah I guess but what I am not sure of is is for instance you are in the UK and you sample 3 secs off of a US artist and they want to sue... wouldn't that be the US courts decision?

Anywho... I guess I am plaing devils or Skreams advocate in this thread but seeings as how he has one of the larger profiles within our scene he should know that people are going to pick his stuff apart and maybe he should be more careful in writing his music. If I did this you would never know because you don't give enough of a shit about me or my music.

abz wrote: Anywho... I guess I am plaing devils or Skreams advocate in this thread but seeings as how he has one of the larger profiles within our scene he should know that people are going to pick his stuff apart and maybe he should be more careful in writing his music. If I did this you would never know because you don't give enough of a shit about me or my music.

people might not know that so thats true...

everyone has done the midi sound replacement for fun, the only issue is that hes charging for it without mention of the original

and since it was a no-names composition it was ok?

its shiesty ground for music to tread in with "as long as you don't get caught doing it"

the track is shit anyway....fake horn synths=

hurlingdervish wrote:
the track is shit anyway....fake horn synths=

yeah I never liked Skream's version in the first place. I'm glad to know it wasn't original.

mekha wrote:Another example is Mescaline Cola by Zomby -Which uses a raw beat from a sample pack i downloaded recently, and it was disappointing as well.. But then again, It's just the high hopes i had on these guys, because as a producer myself appreciate the effort put on a track, from sound design to composition. (Btw I can upload that sample if anyone wants it)

What sample pack? Thats the point though, some freely distributed sample pack that thousands of people have, how many make compelling tracks with those samples? Still takes talent. Skream went a whole lot farther than taking a generic beat. He pretty much took the song.

The three second rool for sampling is just the same with food dropped on your bathroom floor, completely imaginary.

I can't believe how many people are sticking up for Skream in this thread. I feel like if it was your tune, or someone else's on here, there wouldn't be a single person defending the actions of the guy who used the midi file.


To be fair though, I want to remind everyone that all of their assumptions come from a quick note on a website. It's not really too negative in terms of dissing Skream or anything, just pointing out the fact that you can't do what he did. It's more than possible that they contacted him (or were contacted by him) since then and have worked things out, so I wouldn't be too hard on Skream, either. It's also very possible that he thought the midi file was public domain when he used it, or he had it on a CD or something that he got from someone else, and he didn't realize that it wasn't ok to release a tune made with it without crediting someone else.


I basically came in here to say that maybe you ALL could be wrong

Nah, I'm just saying that we don't really know much about the whole situation, so while this is an interesting discussion, try and remember that there could be a lot of different unknowns that would change your opinion.

cloak and dagger wrote:I can't believe how many people are sticking up for Skream in this thread. I feel like if it was your tune, or someone else's on here, there wouldn't be a single person defending the actions of the guy who used the midi file.


To be fair though, I want to remind everyone that all of their assumptions come from a quick note on a website. It's not really too negative in terms of dissing Skream or anything, just pointing out the fact that you can't do what he did. It's more than possible that they contacted him (or were contacted by him) since then and have worked things out, so I wouldn't be too hard on Skream, either. It's also very possible that he thought the midi file was public domain when he used it, or he had it on a CD or something that he got from someone else, and he didn't realize that it wasn't ok to release a tune made with it without crediting someone else.


I basically came in here to say that maybe you ALL could be wrong

Nah, I'm just saying that we don't really know much about the whole situation, so while this is an interesting discussion, try and remember that there could be a lot of different unknowns that would change your opinion.

entirely possible...

I just googled and came up with several midi hosting sites. the one in question here could be on any of them