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HAACK wrote:@

There is massive spamming on the last track, I was warned about this for future competitions, unfortunately, I can not randomize the play list. I will post this as a link in a few other parts of the forum so we can get more heads on the voting.There are definitely a few tunes worth more vote but, this is just the first day.

great job on the competition.

+1 on the great job ury buddy. is there anything you wanna do about it? im a little bummed but its kinda whatever if people wanna do it like that, i was really stoked cause i thought someone wrote a really bomb tune or something then i listened to it and i was like wait.... not saying it was terrible but really?

HEHE I didn't forget

dblth1nk wrote:HEHE I didn't forget

haha oooh i see how it is

so when does the next sample pack drop?

edit: I see this question has already been answered.

I made an entry for this comp, but i started getting right into it... Gonna make it a full length tune and put it up for download anyone who wants it

can't wait to listen to all the tunes
i gotta see what all the hype about 15 is all about

suggestion: maybe instead of an open vote, we could have a judge, or panel of judges to vote on the track?

maybe a well know producer or production wizard??

2 cents

suggestion: maybe instead of an open vote, we could have a judge, or panel of judges to vote on the track?

maybe a well know producer or production wizard??

2 cents

bass hertz wrote:suggestion: maybe instead of an open vote, we could have a judge, or panel of judges to vote on the track?

maybe a well know producer or production wizard??

2 cents

That's a great idea! Would eradicate all potential of spam-voting : )
Sharp darts hertz, sharp darts

bass hertz wrote:suggestion: maybe instead of an open vote, we could have a judge, or panel of judges to vote on the track?

maybe a well know producer or production wizard??

2 cents

@ Basshertz: This is a wonderful I idea I am going to contact a few producers here on the forum for future competitions, however, from here on out it's a bit late for that so it will still continue based on open vote.


Due to request, the track "CONTAMINATED" will be removed due to spam voting on the first day, voting will be reset shortly.
Sorry for the inconvenience for everyone that has entered.

Gotta do what you gotta do....It's a shame...it was an alright tune...I mean...what did the guy/girl figure would happen...why take part in the contest even...I'm baffled

back in the race

Thoughts re: having a "name" judge this thing-

Mixed feelings on that. On the one hand, yeah, less opportunity for the voting shenanigans - but then...

~ you're introducing the possibility of personal shenanigans (i.e. "name" judge doesn't like something one of the participants posted about them previously, or it's produced in a style the judge knows nothing of or cares nothing about);

~ everybody, "name" or not, listens for different things (i.e. production quality vs. originality);

~ Many of the "name" producers are fairly busy and/or slack people (I know that's a contradiction, but we all know it's true also!) - getting them to agree to listen to 45 min. worth of tracks (or however many there are) and give thoughtful criticism... good luck with that. No, seriously.

~ Would the samplepack provided also be from the judge?

I keep coming back to the Playoff idea, but everyone seems to be against it still...

alphacat wrote:Thoughts re: having a "name" judge this thing-

Mixed feelings on that. On the one hand, yeah, less opportunity for the voting shenanigans - but then...

~ you're introducing the possibility of personal shenanigans (i.e. "name" judge doesn't like something one of the participants posted about them previously, or it's produced in a style the judge knows nothing of or cares nothing about);

~ everybody, "name" or not, listens for different things (i.e. production quality vs. originality);

~ Many of the "name" producers are fairly busy and/or slack people (I know that's a contradiction, but we all know it's true also!) - getting them to agree to listen to 45 min. worth of tracks (or however many there are) and give thoughtful criticism... good luck with that. No, seriously.

~ Would the samplepack provided also be from the judge?

I keep coming back to the Playoff idea, but everyone seems to be against it still...

I'm with you on that. A public vote seems like the most reliable and democratic approach really.

Also, while (ahem) I'm not entirely against restarted the vote with that song removed, do we actually know what happened for it to get so many votes? Has the entrant been contacted?

@ Stappard: I contacted the individual 3 days ago and he/she has yet to reply, I did so in a manner where there would be enough time for them to reply, however, based on request it is only fair that this occurred.

@ Alphacat: Regarding shenanigans (check your private messages). The sample pack will not be judged, the winner will choose their samples and I will post them directly.

stappard wrote: I'm with you on that. A public vote seems like the most reliable and democratic approach really.

That would be wise if we was running for public office. Not trying to beat you down, but I think the last "incident" just proved what a public internet vote did. It's really a flaw in the "phpbbs poll" system. No one's fault really. Modern Contest panel system. Or any other contestant/panel system.

alphacat wrote: ~ you're introducing the possibility of personal shenanigans (i.e. "name" judge doesn't like something one of the participants posted about them previously, or it's produced in a style the judge knows nothing of or cares nothing about);

How will the judges know WHO produced WHAT? All they have to do is play the music. HAACK just sets it all up. The judges just play the tunes. As of right know I don't know who produced what, except for my tune.

Actually a more "accomplished" producer sould be able to distinguish production over style, therefore not be biased to personal taste.

alphacat wrote: ~ everybody, "name" or not, listens for different things (i.e. production quality vs. originality);

What's the difference then? Voters or Judges?? Judges have varied taste just as well as voters.

alphacat wrote: ~ Many of the "name" producers are fairly busy and/or slack people (I know that's a contradiction, but we all know it's true also!) - getting them to agree to listen to 45 min. worth of tracks (or however many there are) and give thoughtful criticism... good luck with that. No, seriously.

Not saying we have to get Mala, Skream, Kode 9, Benga, etc etc.

I'm not sure about "slack"... I mean... look at Ikonika in the production thread. She is one of the most accomplished and busy touring producer/dj in the world... and she finds time to help out in q&a.. AND EVEN LISTEN to little guys tunes just to help.

alphacat wrote: ~ Would the samplepack provided also be from the judge?

NO YES MAYBE COULD? THe judge would at least have to hear the sample pack that the tunes were created from.



again... my 2 cents

bass hertz wrote:

stappard wrote: I'm with you on that. A public vote seems like the most reliable and democratic approach really.

That would be wise if we was running for public office. Not trying to beat you down, but I think the last "incident" just proved what a public internet vote did. It's really a flaw in the "phpbbs poll" system. No one's fault really. Modern Contest panel system. Or any other contestant/panel system.

Yeah I completely understand the inherent difficulties in the public vote being open to abuse, just perhaps the logistics of a panel/judge would be difficult. Depends if there's any interest from suitable parties, I suppose. Maybe a voting panel - the previous winner, a moderator and a guest judge, each ranking and tallying the points?

Shame about what happened this time round though, pretty much directly against the cooperative ethos of the production forum.

i saw in other forum same situation thei fixed it voting by reply-eweryone was happy

Alright, all that administrative stuff aside [for now] - here are my thoughts (or in Cockney, "fawts"} on the tunes for what it's worth...

1} "Wreked" ~ beautiful. Nice & dubby, lots of space, not overworked at all. Nice progression, build. Excellent use of the samples overall.

2} "Badman" ~ Nice atmospherics on intro, but took up a lot of the 3:00 limit too. Overall seems a little disjointed/uninspired structurally.

3} "Chernobyl" ~ One of the more unique approaches melodically. Cool bass sound initially, want more variety and layers though, maybe more novelty w/ progression too.

4} "Stepping" ~ Interesting kind of Flying Lotus vibe running through this one - organic, unusual arrangement - even though other entries tried for this same feel, this one nails it pretty well. Production stands out for not being totally brickwaved also.

5} "In Your Eyes" ~ Love it that someone did a funky little dread bubbler instead of the obvious darkness the samples suggested. Progression & drop are pretty standard but the lead line & chords helped keep this one skankin' along. Why the Peter Gabriel song title, just out of curiosity?

6} "Crypt" ~ Intro had me interested, then the abstract business really got me hooked - but then it rolls into a more or less standard dubstep ting, albeit with decent restraint and attention to detail. Good production: would like to see this sound wander off the highway and away from the mainstream more.

7} "Drowning in Data" ~ Atmosphere on this almost had me thinking it was going to drop into some vintage dark late nineties DnB - at least initially. Again, the bass starts to go somewhere interesting but needs more mutation, contrast, variety. Mix is also a little thin through the drop and afterwards.

8} "Half Moon" ~ a pretty fresh take on the vibe; the production elements are pleasing and yet... and yet there's some meat missing from the composition somehow and it seems to be equal parts arrangement, EQ, and...? Not sure. Perhaps it's just difficult to pull off such an ambient & gentle sound coming off all these other tracks that have more aggro elements in them. Props for not doing the obvious tearout shit.

9} "Meditations" ~ While maybe not the most original use of the samples, the arrangement says you know what you're doing - or at least you've done it before. Solid progression of parts, or at least what parts there are.

10} "One Eye Open" ~ Intro got my attention right away, almost went too long (again, just considering the time constraint y'all wanna balance out your compositions}. Very unique take on the sounds too - doesn't sound like any of the other tunes really. Drum mix could stand to be hotter IMHO - in fact, the whole mix could use some work.

11} "Dust" ~ Nice to see someone coming in with a groove instead of the spooky 'spherics. Otherwise, vaguely Burial-ish w/ the minimalism and garage riddim. A stronger arrangement & structure would benefit this one, give it more life.

12} "Eaters of Frog" ~ Heh. Favorite title of this comp. SPACE - lots and lots of it in this tune - Yes! Everybody should take notes on the sense of space in this tune and tune #1 to a lesser degree. Could stand to deviate more in the arrangement & progression, but I also understand that this track probably felt like it needed to roll out at its own pace...

13} "Purchased" ~ Another unique take w/ a bit of a Detroit vibe running through it. Has kind of a timeless electronica feel to it, like it could've been produced 15 years ago or the day after yesterday, can't tell. Progression is standard, as always I think people should cater to my short attention span and throw lots of weird shit at me to keep me distracted. This track works on its own terms though.

14} "Road You Never Walk" ~ Manages to use the samples in somewhat similar fashion to other entries and yet still sounds original. And then the bass drop - nicely done, wasn't expecting that based on how it started. A nice synthesis of styles and very well arranged. Kept my interest the whole time (which is a feat in and of itself.) The most unique and experimental without sacrificing funk and vibe.

15} "Mars Revolt" ~ Title ties in well w/ intro somehow, very suggestive. Some interesting and original abstract-esque bidness happening here, although lacking enough tension to propel the thing along - more of a head piece than a dancefloor piece. In fact, I could hear this as the soundtrack to some Doom-style first person shooter... and that's not a bad thing at all.