seckle wrote:yeah but human, if i bombed your mural, is that me trying to provoke you or inspire you? or is that me just trying to shine off your shine?
you of all people know graf culture better than anyone. bombing other peoples work, isn't something you do unless you want conflict. besides, i was just using graf as a metaphor for the reality of youtube in this world right now.
graff is complicated lol
RD caught a tag right on the first real piece i ever painted... i was honored, it was weird lol.
seckle wrote:jungle evolved and developed years before youtube/myspace/facebook/soundcloud. jungle was spread by pirates, vinyl and mixtape. if you wanted to sample x y or z in those days you had to go to the store, find the sample, take it home, produce it, have it cut and pressed to be heard. you had to make a commitment because the steps were costly. This helped separate the novices from the professionals. now, with this DIY youtube music and rediting trend, its giving power to everyone and their brother harry to show the world that they can't come up with original ideas, or ideas that don't need to be branded and bandwagoned off the back of someone else's ideas. trying to tie in and defend sampling culture, isn't the discussion here. the issue is that people don't give a fuck about integrity.
i agree with you that integrity is lacking nowadays, and i understand where you are coming from, i just dont think its the edits fault... i think its shitty people sucking like shitty people always do lol...
with the jungle thing, i mean, how many people at first do you think were sampling the metromedia amen brother 45? some im sure, but i think those Ultimate Breaks & Beats compilations were key.... and talk about questionable integrity lol, but yeh, def different times... but hardcore & jungle was actually MORE incestuous, cats used to jack huge chunks of tunes all the time and give zero credit to the original. and put it on vinyl... shit you couldnt get away with nowadays tbh... imean, i dont think anybody can say bukems Atlantis isnt a classic... but its also really just a edit of reel by real's surkit...
but yeh, anybody can make whatever they want now, and not have to learn the ropes or pay dues... but really if that technology wasnt available we wouldnt be talking here now about something called dubstep.
that actually brings up something about edits tho that i think is great.... you learn. how do i structure a song properly? what should it look like mastered? the most common advice ive heard about first learning is take a song you think is dope & sounds good and load it up in your editing prog.
now, if thats alls you do, and put 50 half assed ones on youtube & get signed to universal, im not impressed. lol.
but yeh, im not cynical about peoples intent. i dont think most people are trying to piggyback on somebodies fame. i think MOST edits are done out of respect for the original, and with the desire to integrate the songs into their own sound.
ive personally been playin some edits my bredren has done, a jah war refix & a purple city, cause i played those tunes out hard, but my sound is different now... but its cool to breath new life into the tunes and rock them again in a new style imho.
but yeh, this is really as old as dance music.... the "larry levan 12" dance edit"... the timmy regisford verison, or the latin rascals friday night dance party on wrks kiss fm, straight up tape edits...
from that kode9 tweet, it seems like hes frustrated cause people must send him them shits lol... but sine of the dub & 9 samuri are refixes... and when in nyc he played pon di floor. and despite me really not liking diplo, i respect his strategy, dude is smart, and pon di floor is the perfect example... they got out ahead of the edit game, and gave away their stems. the song became the biggest tune in dance music. and i actually hear the stems being used in all sorts of other songs, in some cool, and other bait ways lol... but yeh, it didnt hurt the original, it actually helped, it involved the fan base, ENGAGED them as active participants in shaping the sound rather than just passive consumers... and i think that is the future.
people lack integrity. they are disrespectful & have no tact. this isnt cause of the edit, its a much bigger society issue. and i dont see the edit as a symptom.. its more like a innocent bystander being used as a shield for wack people.
imho, it really is the same as the sampling argument... shit, its even the same as vinyl vs serato vs cdjs etc.... really its just a issue of, do you suck? and if the answer is yes, then all the tools and edits and samples in the world cant do nothing for you lol..... & meanwhile creative & fun people are getting down in all sorts of interesting ways...
hth
