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From some of the attitudes on display in this thread, if I ever met some of you, I'd be worried about recommending a tune to you, unless I had a fucking permission slip from the label.

Taking it to extremes again...

Well from the sounds of things, this was a channel that prompted people to buy the tunes, had tunes ripped from mixes rather than the full tunes, and was a quick and easy way to show other people the tunes, and thus get others interested, and create a whole new group of potential buyers.

I'm usually one to agree with Seckle's point about "entitlement" issues, but not in this case. Z Audio were getting their tunes heard by a channel that clearly had a regular, pretty high following, and now they don't get that. They might get a few more pence from ads on their page, but they now might get a thousand less people see a tune.

I have a blog that has a pretty high following too, and I occasionally recommend tunes. Should I stop? You can say it's taking it to the extremes, but it's the same principle man. It's another way to recommend a tune. I could understand your point if it was just some dude uploading full tunes in high quality, but this was clearly an attempt to drum up a bit of interest for the labels and producers by somebody that's passionate about the music.

If I'm wrong or mistaken on any point, the apologies guys, I don't follow channels on Youtube, just going on what numerous people have said about this channel before.

I think we should stop pirate radio playing tunes, blog mixes, music video's, dubplates and even written reviews, it's harming producers financially, because after the listener has heard about the track through such avenues, they are never going to buy it legally.

Pedro Sánchez wrote:I think we should stop pirate radio playing tunes, blog mixes, music video's, dubplates and even written reviews, it's harming producers financially, because after the listener has heard about the track through such avenues, they are never going to buy it legally.

fuck off, noones said anything like that and you know it.

Teknicyde wrote:

Pedro Sánchez wrote:I think we should stop pirate radio playing tunes, blog mixes, music video's, dubplates and even written reviews, it's harming producers financially, because after the listener has heard about the track through such avenues, they are never going to buy it legally.

fuck off, noones said anything like that and you know it.

I said it

na, garethom... i say continue to do what you do, because it is great and turns people on to the sound. what i am saying is, if a label kindly asks you to task some stuff down, or in the case of backspace, tons of its uploads, because it belongs to them and they would rather host it, don't moan about it. this seems to be the current trend looking forward and we need to be prepared for it. Distance has recently done the same for chestplate -> http://www.dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.p ... &start=400 i'm sure not all labels will follow suit, but i'd be ridiculous if i didn't admit that they have the right to. maybe some of these channels and blogs can actually start working with labels and artists and this thing can become even better than it was? Either way, we have to be able to discuss it without people getting personally offended and defensive, especially since its youtube channels we are discussing

the rest of my post was just a comment on generation NOW culture, but then again i'm old as dirt so....

fractal wrote:na, garethom... i say continue to do what you do, because it is great and turns people on to the sound. what i am saying is, if a label kindly asks you to task some stuff down, or in the case of backspace, tons of its uploads, because it belongs to them and they would rather host it, don't moan about it. this seems to be the current trend looking forward and we need to be prepared for it.

Yeah, guess so. I agree in that case, if the label asks to take it down, then that's entirely fair. I don't agree with it in some cases, but it's true.

fractal wrote:maybe some of these channels and blogs can actually start working with labels and artists and this thing can become even better than it was?

Definitely. I think this was the point I was trying to drive at. Obviously labels are doing something great by getting the producers work out there, but they would be pretty stupid to not take advantage of outlets that have potentially thousands of followers. I've recently been contacted by some pretty big names about doing some promo for them. I would've done promo for them anyway, but by talking to the guys directly I got a lot of info and opportunities I wouldn't have otherwise, so I guess that backs up your point entirely. Things just work better when you have label/producer and blog/channel/whatever pushing towards the same aim. I just think Z Audio could've taken advantage of Backspace Dubstep's passion for pushing new music.

garethom wrote:

fractal wrote:na, garethom... i say continue to do what you do, because it is great and turns people on to the sound. what i am saying is, if a label kindly asks you to task some stuff down, or in the case of backspace, tons of its uploads, because it belongs to them and they would rather host it, don't moan about it. this seems to be the current trend looking forward and we need to be prepared for it.

Yeah, guess so. I agree in that case, if the label asks to take it down, then that's entirely fair. I don't agree with it in some cases, but it's true.

fractal wrote:maybe some of these channels and blogs can actually start working with labels and artists and this thing can become even better than it was?

Definitely. I think this was the point I was trying to drive at. Obviously labels are doing something great by getting the producers work out there, but they would be pretty stupid to not take advantage of outlets that have potentially thousands of followers. I've recently been contacted by some pretty big names about doing some promo for them. I would've done promo for them anyway, but by talking to the guys directly I got a lot of info and opportunities I wouldn't have otherwise, so I guess that backs up your point entirely. Things just work better when you have label/producer and blog/channel/whatever pushing towards the same aim. I just think Z Audio could've taken advantage of Backspace Dubstep's passion for pushing new music.

There you go, Im gonna consider you guys representatives of the two opposing viewpoints here and assume we've come to some kinda middle ground with this?

And Z definately could have, but they didnt, and I think ultimately its our job to respect their business decisions and just be thankful for all the wicked material they've brought us over the years...

Teknicyde wrote:

garethom wrote:

fractal wrote:na, garethom... i say continue to do what you do, because it is great and turns people on to the sound. what i am saying is, if a label kindly asks you to task some stuff down, or in the case of backspace, tons of its uploads, because it belongs to them and they would rather host it, don't moan about it. this seems to be the current trend looking forward and we need to be prepared for it.

Yeah, guess so. I agree in that case, if the label asks to take it down, then that's entirely fair. I don't agree with it in some cases, but it's true.

fractal wrote:maybe some of these channels and blogs can actually start working with labels and artists and this thing can become even better than it was?

Definitely. I think this was the point I was trying to drive at. Obviously labels are doing something great by getting the producers work out there, but they would be pretty stupid to not take advantage of outlets that have potentially thousands of followers. I've recently been contacted by some pretty big names about doing some promo for them. I would've done promo for them anyway, but by talking to the guys directly I got a lot of info and opportunities I wouldn't have otherwise, so I guess that backs up your point entirely. Things just work better when you have label/producer and blog/channel/whatever pushing towards the same aim. I just think Z Audio could've taken advantage of Backspace Dubstep's passion for pushing new music.

There you go, Im gonna consider you guys representatives of the two opposing viewpoints here and assume we've come to some kinda middle ground with this?

And Z definately could have, but they didnt, and I think ultimately its our job to respect their business decisions and just be thankful for all the wicked material they've brought us over the years...

Yep. More than happy to have my viewpoint changed, rather than stubbornly arguing on in the face of overwhelmingly good points.

I know they could have, but didn't. Doesn't mean I need to agree that it was the right or best decision, but that's just opinions for you.

BTW, Ive seen your name around here for ages, never knew you ran night tracks, good shit man, keep it up.

Teknicyde wrote:BTW, Ive seen your name around here for ages, never knew you ran night tracks, good shit man, keep it up.

Big up, thanks very much man!

I had to take off my facebook page 3/4 of the tunes I try to shove down my fb friends' throats because danglez (Start a new one wobbles, please) and Backspace were taken down.

Look at how successful UKF is. Backspace was basically the UKF of deep dubstep. Shit, it just belies logic that Z-Audio would just kill the channel rather than finding a way of taking advantage of it... (You know, like they weren't already profiting from its existence)

Jake Daniel wrote:

fractal wrote:Maybe kids will do work again and visit record shops, soundlcoud accounts, research labels and artists, listen to rinse or sub fm, download some of the hundreds of mixes that are available each week or come onto the forum and find some tunes... Or maybe they will just continue to use whatever they can find in poor quality on YouTube since its "easy".

What a load of fucking bollocks. I love your ridiculous and patronising assumption that someone who likes to use Youtube to find new music therefore does nothing else but use Youtube to do that - its just another platform. Besides, you say "maybe kids will do work again and ... research labels and artists" - that's exactly what people like me are doing when they're browsing through Youtube for new music and whatnot. Also, you use the example of browsing Soundcloud accounts - what's the difference (in terms of the way you discover new music using it) between doing that and browsing Youtube?

You're completely missing the point.

exactly. fractal speaks as if no-one does anything apart from use youtube these days. how he came to this bizarre conclusion, and where he gets his statistics, I'll never know.
listening to previews of tunes on chemical or whatever is all well and good but if I can hear the full track I know what the intro sounds like etc, which helps me decide which tunes to BUY on vinyl.
I would love to go to a record shop to do this but unfortunately I don't live in London and there isn't a single shop in my city that sells vinyl, unless you count charity shops selling second-hand pop tunes from the 80s...

^ someone didn't take the time to read the whole thread before they posted and took what i was saying way out of context...

out to garethom, you chat a lot of sense man

the mixes forum is stopping people listenoing to music and making right wing dubstep bigger

That's what it was designed to do, silly

incnic wrote:the mixes forum is stopping people listenoing to music and making right wing dubstep bigger

you drink those 120 beers yet?

fractal wrote:Sad that people these days rely on YouTube so much. I know, I know... It's easy, and everything needs to be easy in today's world, lol. I remember when the only link you had to a song was in a reel of magnetic tape, we've come a long way. The hard reality is that most signed tunes are going to continue being pulled into their labels YouTube Chanel and they have the right to do so. The songs are still there, they are just in a different spot. This helps people learn labels imo. Maybe kids will do work again and visit record shops, soundlcoud accounts, research labels and artists, listen to rinse or sub fm, download some of the hundreds of mixes that are available each week or come onto the forum and find some tunes... Or maybe they will just continue to use whatever they can find in poor quality on YouTube since its "easy". YouTube put brostep on the map because the quality of music equals the efforts and passions of the listeners imho

Dead on.