phaseten, yr handshake of peace is appreciated and reciprocated.
d1rt1989 wrote:dubstep producers are dominated by the white middle class? i doubt that, looking at the original waves of producers
the key bit of this phrase is "original wave of producers", who i'm fully aware were not predominantly (or even slightly?) white middle class. but this is what I'm saying: historically the ppl who originate tend not 2b white middle class, and anyway I'd argue that the original wave of producers were not making dubstep, but just making music. the name is something thats come later...along with a big wave of white middle class producers who (and this is the entire point of what i was trying to say at the begininning) SOMETIMES DISREGARD OR EVEN NEGATE the influence grime has had on this genre because they themselves were never feelin grime. yet much of what has come to more recent producers as a readymade "package" (now called dubstep) was invented by ppl who
were influenced by grime. not sure if that makes sense?
just cos u dis on grime doesnt mean u aint running a style that owes a debt to grime.
while i cant comment on the socio-economic status of most dubstep producers, i have a lot of trouble thinking of more than a handful of black and asian producers, yet the opposite is true in grime. am I wrong? dont bother listing the 5 ppl u can think of, but if ive very seriously misunderstood shit then tell me.
so far joker has been mentioned, tho I not sure if this was intended to argue against or for my point, as A> just cos joker (and a few other producers) r black doesnt in anyway make what i'm saying untrue when the majority clearly
are white and middle class, and B> joker is one of the sickest, most original producers in dubstep but his sound is very grime, and gullybrook lane was a MASSIVE tune in the grime scene...so, er, that just supports what I'm saying from the beginning.
at no point was i suggesting theres anything wrong with being white. or anything wrong with being middle class. nor that u have 2b either of these things 2 produce dubstep (or, for that matter, that everyone who produced grime was one thing or another), or that all music made by whites and middle class is shit. instead, my argument in a nutshell is this: dubstep has been massively influenced by grime and just cos you dont like grime doesnt mean u aint riding off the back of it, so stop denying this.
its neither interesting, or partìcularly important, so i aint suggesting we do a "hands up who's white and posh" thing, but i bet u anything that (on here at least) its a clear, clear majority. and maybe producers a little less (and i reckon the divide goes somethign like this... 1st wave originators: not posh, 2nd wave silly haircuts and chinstrokers: bamber gascoigne).
my final argument, that this place is full of geeks, is admittedly my personal view...as one man's geek is another's badman.
also, dirt1989, bare in mind that plenty of rock music has been made by blacks over the years, and some of it is very good. I wasnt suggesting that dubstep is only for white ppl, but u shouldnt suggest (if thats what u were doing) that rock is only for whites either, this only undervalues the contributions of non-whites to the genre. and if anyone sees this last phrase as a cue to jump in accusing me of doing just that about dubstep, please read back my very first post and notice there are one or 2 clauses in there that acknowledge that i was making a generalisation and that there have been many contributions from other parties.
dubstep has a debt to grime. dont deny it. that is all.
, but music played, written, invented, recorded, produced, etc, by people of african descent is better. To me at least. Absolutely no agenda in this belief, just personal observation.
/facepalm