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Re: so how the **** has zomboy done it?

Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 7:06 pm
by Samuel_L_Damnson
DEADMOUS IS REALLY CLEVER LEAVE HIM ALONE THE POOR BASTARD

Re: so how the **** has zomboy done it?

Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 7:28 pm
by OzoneJunkie
What I didn't get was this (I've only watched it once mind you so forgive me if I'm remembering wrong): did he even listen to the other parts when putting in the new stuff? He's obviously talented and has a good workflow for himself, but it almost seemed like he already had the parts done, and unmuted them after playing each individual part live... as if the intro was already done and he was making it seem as though he was creating it all in that moment.

I'm really not attacking here - I like his latest EP, and again do think he's got some good stuff going on. I'm just trying to understand what it is I witnessed :)
mthrfnk wrote:
Turnipish Thoughts wrote:yeah I watched all 5, really interesting stuff. It's seems almost magic when he basically noodled around on the keyboard and SUDDENLY it was a quantized, automated, filtered, melodically reposing intro motif. Like WTF. It's smacked me hard about how much I don't do when I should be. re: pre set up filters, recording quantized and generally just having things routed to a given workflow. You can tell from his speed and ease of getting ideas out that he's got everything half done already and he just spits ideas out. I reckon this is one of my biggest barriers.
He obviously has a lot of mixer channel states saved, like with his piano someone asked "what piano VST is that", he said he though it was "just some stock one" with loads of EQ & compression etc... which he must have had previously set up. Same with his synth (I think he mentioned the leads were Sylenth and the pad was Absynth?) presets, he kind of just banged out the notes and arrangement, never did any synth work. I don't have any problems with this, in fact I reuse saved mixer state myself for stuff like guitars, pianos, strings etc because you can always kind of process them the same, I just didn't like how evasive he was with some stuff - specifically when people asked about the Sylenth patch details.

Having watched some of the videos again I can't help thinking that he may have actually sort of set up a demo file, planned out some sounds, samples and rough melodies beforehand - then played it all live (on the stream) and built the arrangement. It just all seemed to come together a little too quickly without him spending much time on any synthesis or effects. The drums at the drop particularly brought this to my attention, at one point he has a some hats, then a 4x4 kick loop, then pretty much the next time he plays it in full it's been all arranged nicely for a build and he has a full dnb drum loop at the drop with up/down swooshes and the vocal sample.

Re: so how the **** has zomboy done it?

Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 7:38 pm
by Gravehill
OzoneJunkie wrote:What I didn't get was this (I've only watched it once mind you so forgive me if I'm remembering wrong): did he even listen to the other parts when putting in the new stuff? He's obviously talented and has a good workflow for himself, but it almost seemed like he already had the parts done, and unmuted them after playing each individual part live... as if the intro was already done and he was making it seem as though he was creating it all in that moment.
lol I was thinking the EXACT same thing..the lead part he played on his keyboard was quite different than the one afterwards that he played back on his laptop with the lead part over the piano chords..it didnt really add up to me at all. it was like he already had it recorded and he was just messing around on his keyboard playing something similar to what he already had recorded

not to mention this didnt really seem all that special like everyone was making it out to be. I actually really like zomboy and his music, but these videos seemed really basic to me

Re: so how the **** has zomboy done it?

Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 7:57 pm
by mthrfnk
The tune was basic, however I was impressed by the supposed live aspect in how he made is so well in such a short amount of time. At the time I thought he may have been recording live and getting his DAW to autoquantise the notes and then quickly did some automation on the pitch. He did play the piano chords, then played the lead "live" with the previously recorded piano playing behind and then he played the blips in, but a lot of it seems a bit off time hence me thinking he just had it on autoquantise, then I think he just layered up the instruments playing the same chords.

But like I said in my post... after rewatching it definitely seems like he set up a the project first, with the synths/patches preselected and the effects engaged and probably some chords and melodies mapped.

Like I said the thing that kinda throws it off is the drums and vocal at the drop - they kind of just appear. Tbf I don't think he ever said "I'm making a track from scratch" (did he?), but he definitely implied it in the way he built the track up from chords>melody>drums up to the drop.

Re: so how the **** has zomboy done it?

Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 8:11 pm
by Gravehill
mthrfnk wrote:The tune was basic, however I was impressed by the supposed live aspect in how he made is so well in such a short amount of time. At the time I thought he may have been recording live and getting his DAW to autoquantise the notes and then quickly did some automation on the pitch. He did play the piano chords, then played the lead "live" with the previously recorded piano playing behind and then he played the blips in, but a lot of it seems a bit off time hence me thinking he just had it on autoquantise, then I think he just layered up the instruments playing the same chords.

But like I said in my post... after rewatching it definitely seems like he set up a the project first, with the synths/patches preselected and the effects engaged and probably some chords and melodies mapped.

Like I said the thing that kinda throws it off is the drums and vocal at the drop - they kind of just appear. Tbf I don't think he ever said "I'm making a track from scratch" (did he?), but he definitely implied it in the way he built the track up from chords>melody>drums up to the drop.
Yeah that lead part in the first video impressed me quite a bit but then it seemed like it was already made

you can hear when he actually used his metronome in like the 3rd video but how does he not use it at all in the first video, it just seems off

Re: so how the **** has zomboy done it?

Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 8:16 pm
by Kit Fysto
mthrfnk wrote:The tune was basic, however I was impressed by the supposed live aspect in how he made is so well in such a short amount of time. At the time I thought he may have been recording live and getting his DAW to autoquantise the notes and then quickly did some automation on the pitch. He did play the piano chords, then played the lead "live" with the previously recorded piano playing behind and then he played the blips in, but a lot of it seems a bit off time hence me thinking he just had it on autoquantise, then I think he just layered up the instruments playing the same chords.

But like I said in my post... after rewatching it definitely seems like he set up a the project first, with the synths/patches preselected and the effects engaged and probably some chords and melodies mapped.

Like I said the thing that kinda throws it off is the drums and vocal at the drop - they kind of just appear. Tbf I don't think he ever said "I'm making a track from scratch" (did he?), but he definitely implied it in the way he built the track up from chords>melody>drums up to the drop.
Ya honestly this was (at least from my point of view) a "for the average" fan kind of thing, not like a master class or anything like that, and since he's never done anything like that before I can only assume he just prepped to make sure it went smooth. Perception is everything after all. .02$

Re: so how the **** has zomboy done it?

Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 8:20 pm
by Gravehill
That chat box was making me cringe though


“needs more dub”



:?

Re: so how the **** has zomboy done it?

Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 8:56 pm
by Augment
I'm pretty sure he had the basics down before he started, I know I would. When you're live, you don't really want to sit there and automate filters and stuff..

Re: so how the **** has zomboy done it?

Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 1:45 am
by Sonika
Sinestepper wrote:DEADMOUS IS REALLY CLEVER LEAVE HIM ALONE THE POOR BASTARD

I'm going to tend to agree

but fuck the big corporate machine behind skrillex (aka mau5trap)

Re: so how the **** has zomboy done it?

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 2:03 pm
by Echoi
Hahaaaaaa, who the fuck is Zomboy? Has he replaced Skrillex as the new figure to be hated?

:6:

Re: so how the **** has zomboy done it?

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 5:06 pm
by Samuel_L_Damnson
no. hes just exactly the same as skrillex.

Re: so how the **** has zomboy done it?

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 6:38 pm
by Gravehill
Sinestepper wrote:no. hes just exactly the same as skrillex.
The best part is, that on every single zomboy video on youtube all of the zomboy fans in the comments section are going on about how skrillex sucks :roll:

Re: so how the **** has zomboy done it?

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 7:07 pm
by Augment
Gravehill wrote:
Sinestepper wrote:no. hes just exactly the same as skrillex.
The best part is, that on every single zomboy video on youtube all of the zomboy fans in the comments section are going on about how skrillex sucks :roll:
:lol:

Re: so how the **** has zomboy done it?

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 7:08 pm
by Samuel_L_Damnson
lol

Re: so how the **** has zomboy done it?

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 9:33 pm
by Echoi
I see, bit out of touch these days, cant be arsed to 'toob' it right now, will take headphones into work tomorrow and listen to Zomboy when I should be working. 8)

Re: so how the **** has zomboy done it?

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 12:25 am
by hutyluty
Echoi wrote:I see, bit out of touch these days, cant be arsed to 'toob' it right now, will take headphones into work tomorrow and listen to Zomboy when I should be working. 8)
i really wouldn't bother

Re: so how the **** has zomboy done it?

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 12:27 am
by Aufnahmewindwuschel
he looks abit like the guy from it crowd and the one skater from skatemafia though :t:

Re: so how the **** has zomboy done it?

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 8:45 am
by Echoi
hutyluty wrote:
Echoi wrote:I see, bit out of touch these days, cant be arsed to 'toob' it right now, will take headphones into work tomorrow and listen to Zomboy when I should be working. 8)
i really wouldn't bother
At my desk now, forgot headphones anyway, doh.

Re: so how the **** has zomboy done it?

Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2012 8:12 pm
by ChadDub
People STILL wanna be like Skrillex lol. Come on man Skrillex has fallen off since Bangarang, learn to copy someone else like Borgore or some shit.

Re: so how the **** has zomboy done it?

Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2012 10:50 pm
by shinra
ChadDub wrote:People STILL wanna be like Skrillex lol. Come on man Skrillex has fallen off since Bangarang, learn to copy someone else like Borgore or some shit.
lol