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Crimsonghost wrote:Grado's are made for listening to music, not producing it.

This is one of the most retarded and ignorant statements I've ever read.

Note the reference series, and the professional series:

http://www.gradolabs.com/page_headphones.php

Note the part where it says "I can't think of a better headphone for studio monitoring."

http://www.stereophile.com/headphones/602grado

Still, you totally missed my point. I have said that a combination of monitors and headphones is always better. Most of the replies have been retarded - "derp I take my music seriously but don't want to invest more than £120". Pathetic.

Simulant, this isn't American commercial crap music forum.


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OP: Buy some decent headphones.

3za wrote:Simulant, this isn't American commercial crap music forum.

Well you'd think that it is, judging from the amount of people that don't understand SUB BASS!

Simulant wrote:

Crimsonghost wrote:Grado's are made for listening to music, not producing it.

This is one of the most retarded and ignorant statements I've ever read.

Note the reference series, and the professional series:

http://www.gradolabs.com/page_headphones.php

Note the part where it says "I can't think of a better headphone for studio monitoring."

http://www.stereophile.com/headphones/602grado

Still, you totally missed my point. I have said that a combination of monitors and headphones is always better. Most of the replies have been retarded - "derp I take my music seriously but don't want to invest more than £120". Pathetic.

So judging by your logic, these must be better because they cost twice as much. And noisia uses them http://www.audeze.com/ambassadors/noisia

And at what point did I say I disagreed with you about using headphones with monitors? Oh, right, I didn't. I was pointing out that you are making ridiculous claims based on the cost of something opposed to how right it might be for the job at hand.

More deep breaths people



I also hate the term cans.

The DT 990s are actually really good headphones for the price. I've heard of a lot of people mixing on them. If anything, I've heard people saying there's too much bass.


Yeah most pro studios use monitors. Most studios also have purpose-built floating rooms tuned to perfect acoustics, $100 000 consoles, Myteks, Neves, etc. If you don't see how all the parts of a studio play together and how the monitoring approach at a much lower price point won't be identical to that of a high end studio, then I don't know what to tell you. I don't know how you expect anyone to respect the opinion of some dumb cunt on the internet who can't even comprehend a sentence.

If you want to shut me up, why don't you make an attempt to prove that dollar for dollar, monitors are better? Why don't we get OP to post a waterfall graph of his room and compare it to some headphones? Sorry but at the low mid price point, it's not gonna happen. Blindly touting monitors for all scenarios just makes you look like a ballrider who can't think for himself.


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Grados are pretty widely known for having "that sound". Great for listening if they match your preferences. Common knowledge that they're not good for critical monitoring.

Guize, Lebron wears $250 dollar sneakers! You ain't never gonna be a good ball player until you buy them! You must be dumb to think you can get results on anything other than what the pros have the luxury of buying.

Macc's testimony overrides all our opinions put together. Biggups on the quote.

3za

SunkLo wrote:The DT 990s are actually really good headphones for the price. I've heard of a lot of people mixing on them. If anything, I've heard people saying there's too much bass.


Yeah most pro studios use monitors. Most studios also have purpose-built floating rooms tuned to perfect acoustics, $100 000 consoles, Myteks, Neves, etc. If you don't see how all the parts of a studio play together and how the monitoring approach at a much lower price point won't be identical to that of a high end studio, then I don't know what to tell you. I don't know how you expect anyone to respect the opinion of some dumb cunt on the internet who can't even comprehend a sentence.

If you want to shut me up, why don't you make an attempt to prove that dollar for dollar, monitors are better? Why don't we get OP to post a waterfall graph of his room and compare it to some headphones? Sorry but at the low mid price point, it's not gonna happen. Blindly touting monitors for all scenarios just makes you look like a ballrider who can't think for himself.

You really do spew the worst form of verbal diarrhoea! Not every studio has that sort of money spent on it, have you ever been in one? I doubt it. I literally don't know what to say to you, I find it hard to believe that you're not trolling.

I'll set you a task - find me ONE computer music video where they produce on headphones. Or find me a top producer that produces solely on headphones.

Simulant wrote: I'll set you a task - find me ONE computer music video where they produce on headphones. Or find me a top producer that produces solely on headphones.

Yeah I'll get on that right after you post that waterfall of a $500 monitor setup vs a $500 headphone setup


It still astounds me how you don't get that professional producers and mixing engineers are going to be spending more money on monitors than the average producer trying to make it. Given a fixed low budget, there's no way you're going to get better performance out of monitors vs headphones. Having monitors might make you feel cool cause you're imitating the pros, but I'd rather be concerned with what's going to get me the most accurate listening environment.

Did you not the post about Macc? I'd rather take some practical advice from an established mastering engineer over some idealistic bullshit that some twat read in a computer music magazine.

Ladies please..........

Anyway here's a video you guys may find interesting about the matter ---> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ

SunkLo wrote:

Simulant wrote: I'll set you a task - find me ONE computer music video where they produce on headphones. Or find me a top producer that produces solely on headphones.

Yeah I'll get on that right after you post that waterfall of a $500 monitor setup vs a $500 headphone setup


It still astounds me how you don't get that professional producers and mixing engineers are going to be spending more money on monitors than the average producer trying to make it. Given a fixed low budget, there's no way you're going to get better performance out of monitors vs headphones. Having monitors might make you feel cool cause you're imitating the pros, but I'd rather be concerned with what's going to get me the most accurate listening environment.

Did you not the post about Macc? I'd rather take some practical advice from an established mastering engineer over some idealistic bullshit that some twat read in a computer music magazine.

You still don't get it do you? You LEARN YOUR ROOM, this is something that every producer has to do. You use a COMBINATION of headphones and monitors. And how are headphones more accurate? You heard of stereo crossfeed? I guess not...

I'm not going to name drop, but I've worked with a few well known producers in the past and seen how they do things. And guess what - they ALL used monitors. And not all of them had a good studio. It's a standard setup, speakers + headphones for details(certainly not for sub bass!).

I guess you've never watched any computer music master classes? "Some twat" as you so eloquently put it, would be a well known producer giving some tips on their workflow. And I'm also guessing that you haven't read the rest of the thread - seeing as how I said that not everyone is as poor as you. Personally I spend more money on music than anything, as it's something I take seriously. So I'm not about to take advice from some part timer who doesn't even own a pair of monitors.

You really are a complete tool, I won't be replying to you any further. Idiots like you never make it far in music anyway, pretty much all successful people I've met are humble and always learning.

futures_untold wrote:Ladies please..........

Anyway here's a video you guys may find interesting about the matter ---> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ

Well that just about clears it up!

Simulant wrote: "Some twat" as you so eloquently put it, would be a well known producer giving some tips on their workflow.

No, "some twat" is you, you dumb stooge

If it's just a matter of "learning your room" and that's that, why not produce with reverb and a comb filter on the master buss and just learn it? Cause it's stupid and reduces the accuracy of what you're hearing, just like producing with monitors and a sub in a small shitty untreated room.

Yeah I've heard of crossfeed and it's technically a distortion caused by stereo speakers. A sound source doesn't come from two distinct places in real life. Crossfeed is phase cancellation. Important to check it out to see how things will sound on speakers? Yep. Some inherent sonic benefit of speakers? Nope.

How are headphones more accurate? Well, they remove the distortion of the room coloration. Do I really have to spell out all these obvious things?


You keep qualifying your arguments by saying "well I'm so pro I spend all my money on production". How many times do people have to point out that not everyone has excess money to spend on things and that, taking that fact into account, headphones are quite often the path to better monitoring on a budget?

Shout 'headphones and monitors' all you want, you're still failing to account for the fiscal limits we're talking about here. If OP had the money to buy nice monitors, room treatment and nice headphones, should he? Fucking obviously. Hell if money's not an issue, buy several sets of monitors and headphones. We're operating in the real world here, where producers have financial limits. Given those limits, headphones provide the best monitoring for the money. Period. End of. If you still try to argue that, you're stupid, stubborn, or both.

Simulant wrote:I'm not going to name drop, but I've worked with a few well known producers in the past and seen how they do things.

do it or GTFO.

Simulant wrote:You really are a complete tool, I won't be replying to you any further. Idiots like you never make it far in music anyway, pretty much all successful people I've met are humble and always learning.

you sound like a dick. sunklo is a quality, daily poster that has done a lot for the production section of this forum. I'd give him the benefit of the doubt over you. have some respect.

Bit sad that threads filled with clucking hens draw more attention than proper production threads.
We'll be comparing bicep sizes in a few pages.

At least it might help to clear up some misconceptions (both about budget monitoring and the size of my biceps)

I've a huge dick so you all loose.

dubunked wrote:do it or GTFO.

No chance, I wouldn't want to annoy anyone I work with by dropping their name in a forum argument. It's called respect.

dubunked wrote:you sound like a dick. sunklo is a quality, daily poster that has done a lot for the production section of this forum. I'd give him the benefit of the doubt over you. have some respect.

He's not done a lot here, I saw a similar thread a few weeks back where he was preaching the same shit. Honestly, I've never heard such crap - monitoring sub bass on headphones lol! Anyhow, why don't you fuck off and read a book on the subject, instead of calling me names and deciding to side with someone else because they've got a lot of posts.

I hate to break it to you, but most of the quality posters have long gone from this forum, and I can see why!

Got a lot of great posts you mean
How do you know what I've done here, have you taken the time to read through my post history? Gonna doubt that since you can't even properly read my posts in this thread.

A lot of great posters have left the forum but every once in a while you see an old head pop back in. I myself had been away for a significant time before starting to post again recently. Either way, how the hell would you know? You joined what, 7 months ago? Not trying to pull rank or toot my own horn here but, who the fuck are you? What have you done? Why should anyone buy the shit that comes out of your mouth? You're just doing the same thing the last guy did when I was in this argument. "Well this pro guy says to do this so it's right." No explanation why, nothing to back your position up. Just an appeal to authority without factoring in some important originally unaccounted-for details (In this scenario, budget)

Nobody's gonna respect you if you argue like a petty woman (no disrespect to any women reading this ) Being stubborn and insulting just makes you look weak in the end. I at least try to be stubborn, insulting and informative. Nobody has to agree with my posts but I at least explain my reasoning from a fairly objective standpoint. The information's there, I've tried to address all the issues. All you have to do is read it and not misinterpret it. If there's some other parameter I'm not accounting for, by all means bring it to my attention. But if you're just going to ignore the important points and keep harping on the same redundant shit...


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SunkLo wrote:Got a lot of great posts you mean
How do you know what I've done here, have you taken the time to read through my post history? Gonna doubt that since you can't even properly read my posts in this thread.

A lot of great posters have left the forum but every once in a while you see an old head pop back in. I myself had been away for a significant time before starting to post again recently. Either way, how the hell would you know? You joined what, 7 months ago? Not trying to pull rank or toot my own horn here but, who the fuck are you? What have you done? Why should anyone buy the shit that comes out of your mouth? You're just doing the same thing the last guy did when I was in this argument. "Well this pro guy says to do this so it's right." No explanation why, nothing to back your position up. Just an appeal to authority without factoring in some important originally unaccounted-for details (In this scenario, budget)

Nobody's gonna respect you if you argue like a petty woman (no disrespect to any women reading this ) Being stubborn and insulting just makes you look weak in the end. I at least try to be stubborn, insulting and informative. Nobody has to agree with my posts but I at least explain my reasoning from a fairly objective standpoint. The information's there, I've tried to address all the issues. All you have to do is read it and not misinterpret it. If there's some other parameter I'm not accounting for, by all means bring it to my attention. But if you're just going to ignore the important points and keep harping on the same redundant shit...


ALPACA STRIKE TO THE FACE

Oh, so now you want a discussion? I thought you was content to just call me a stupid tnuc...

Don't start bringing appeal to authorities into the conversation, that's fucking retarded. We all appeal to authority, seeing as how we're speaking English and went through an education system. We all have something to learn from other people and have all learned from others in the past. I asked you why almost every producer uses monitors and headphones, you called me a twat for "reading computer music videos", whatever the hell that means? So, please tell me - why do all successful producers use monitors and headphones? And why should I believe a random forum troll over the advice I've had from my peers for the past decade?

You're entitled to your own opinion, that's fine. But you're not entitled to your own facts, they stay the same. And the facts are that headphones don't have any cross-feed, and we're making stereo music. So it's necessary to hear the cross-feed to be able to accurately check the balance of the different instruments and to hear the stereo image correctly and check for phasing issues. This really is mixing 101 and it pains me to have to spell it out. I suppose if you want to make music in mono then it doesn't matter so much, but most of us want stereo.

The other fact is that sub bass is low frequency audio and is felt as much as it is heard. I don't know how old you are, but if you've ever been to a nightclub you'll know what I mean, you feel it literally shaking you. Now, headphones cannot reproduce that feeling, so how are you going to monitor it? With your ears? With a spectrum analyser that uses fft(which isn't accurate in the low end)? Or with a combination of headphones and monitors? I choose the option that gives me the most detail - headphones and monitors. And I might even get a sub.

As for who I am or what I've done, that's my business. I asked you the same earlier, you don't have one tune to your name as far as I can see, I'd love to hear some of your headphone produced music. I've read the forum for years, and decided to be more active. And I saw your post saying that subs make it harder to hear the sub bass and had to say something! Dear oh dear.

Anyhow, I hope that answers whatever you wanted answering? Although all you really did was rant on and on in your last post, I don't know what you actually were asking? Please try to stick to the topic and don't act like such a whiny bitch.

Here's an appeal to authority for anyone who is still on the fence about this, check some of the masterclasses and see how many of them don't have monitors!

I'll give you a clue - none! And a lot of them don't seem to have any treatment either - yet have somehow managed to make music!













I could list a dozen or so more, easily. But I think that's enough to make my point. Still, I'm sorry to anyone I've annoyed, I don't like to get caught up in crap like this.