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TAVRAVLAVISH wrote:dissection is amazing, cryptopsy is great classic death metal, sleep + high on fire+ boris... pearls and brass (strongly suggested) botch (someone mentioned them washington reppin it!!) i dunno what else to point out i havnt been rocking metal for a bit, get into fast hardcore some its really good (most hardcore music is boring over played riff swill from the states, some older 80s early 90s hardcore is awesome and usually pretty damn angry)

The Unspoken King is awful. I mean, awful. Really, unspeakably, awful.

Near wrote:deathspell omega

There was a time that I was really gay for them. I like them, but there's better bm, from France and elsewhere.

Genevieve wrote:

TAVRAVLAVISH wrote:dissection is amazing, cryptopsy is great classic death metal, sleep + high on fire+ boris... pearls and brass (strongly suggested) botch (someone mentioned them washington reppin it!!) i dunno what else to point out i havnt been rocking metal for a bit, get into fast hardcore some its really good (most hardcore music is boring over played riff swill from the states, some older 80s early 90s hardcore is awesome and usually pretty damn angry)

The Unspoken King is awful. I mean, awful. Really, unspeakably, awful.

Near wrote:deathspell omega

There was a time that I was really gay for them. I like them, but there's better bm, from France and elsewhere.

in general cryptopsy ISMEAN

TAVRAVLAVISH wrote:

Genevieve wrote:

TAVRAVLAVISH wrote:dissection is amazing, cryptopsy is great classic death metal, sleep + high on fire+ boris... pearls and brass (strongly suggested) botch (someone mentioned them washington reppin it!!) i dunno what else to point out i havnt been rocking metal for a bit, get into fast hardcore some its really good (most hardcore music is boring over played riff swill from the states, some older 80s early 90s hardcore is awesome and usually pretty damn angry)

The Unspoken King is awful. I mean, awful. Really, unspeakably, awful.

Near wrote:deathspell omega

There was a time that I was really gay for them. I like them, but there's better bm, from France and elsewhere.

in general cryptopsy ISMEAN

Yeah, they were mean for releasing The Unspoken King.

It's awful.

Unspeakably awful.

Awful.

Awful.

There's a rumor that Jon Levaseur is working with Mike DiSalvo again. God... Cryptopsy were supposed to go back to the Blasphemy Made Flesh/None So Vile sound. I would've dug that. I loved Once Was Not, but yes. More Worm. I shook his hand. They didn't play 'Crown of Horns' when I saw them, though.

Genevieve wrote:I like them, but there's better bm, from France and elsewhere.

.. better how?

TAVRAVLAVISH wrote:dissection is amazing, cryptopsy is great classic death metal, sleep + high on fire+ boris... pearls and brass (strongly suggested) botch (someone mentioned them washington reppin it!!) i dunno what else to point out i havnt been rocking metal for a bit, get into fast hardcore some its really good (most hardcore music is boring over played riff swill from the states, some older 80s early 90s hardcore is awesome and usually pretty damn angry)

yup, BOTCH were it. they really were. I was into the old Excursion hardcore back in the day. Jough Dawn Baker, Strain here and there.. lots of good stuff then. ZAO , Frodus, some other Tooth And Nail bands were ok. Big into post-hardcore as well, all eras.



BISON BC is next for the great pacific NW biznez imo. East Vancouver made into a soundtrack. greatness.

Near wrote:

Genevieve wrote:I like them, but there's better bm, from France and elsewhere.

.. better how?

Better sounding. =| Weakling, Velvet Cacoon, Nordlicht, Walknut, Drudkh.. you know how we do. =|

Jus' sayin', Deathspell Omega's often hailed as the best thing happening in bm in recent years. I like them a lot but they seem to be kinda overrated.

Genevieve wrote:

Near wrote:

Genevieve wrote:I like them, but there's better bm, from France and elsewhere.

.. better how?

Better sounding. =| Weakling, Velvet Cacoon, Nordlicht, Walknut, Drudkh.. you know how we do. =|

Jus' sayin', Deathspell Omega's often hailed as the best thing happening in bm in recent years. I like them a lot but they seem to be kinda overrated.

Can't get away with latter Deathspell Omega myself.

'Si Monumentum Requires, Circumspice' was areet though.

America, we finally running the Black Metal game, between Leviathan and Nachtmystium.

We've got the next Satyricon, AND the next Burzum. What now!?

CrowleyHead wrote:America, we finally running the Black Metal game, between Leviathan and Nachtmystium.

We've got the next Satyricon, AND the next Burzum. What now!?

France is probably running shit. Norway was on the forefront of black metal for a very short time and, during its peak, was tied by LLN bands from France as well. South America and Canada were important exporters of black metal in the '80s, for example. Blasphemy from Canada and Sarcofago from Brazil come to mind. One could argue that (early) Sodom and Hellhammer were black metal and Bathory was definitely doing black metal before it had a name in Sweden.

Ukrainian black metal's really important right now as well.

The Norwegian scene was definitely very important, but overstated compared to a lot of other scenes because of the controversy surrounding Varg/Mayhem, Faust stabbing some dude to death and the church burnings. Influential? Yeah. But there's a lot of equally influential music that is overlooked because the scenes weren't as violent.

As far as American shit goes, I've always been into the epic stuff. I mean, Weakling is by far my favorite black metal band and I love Wolves in the Throne Room and Krallice (obvious followers of that sound, even if they have their totally own take on it, they're not worshipers or anything) too and there's quite a bit of ambient bm like the godly Wrath of the Weak and Velvet Cacoon (my screenname is a reference to them).

The USA has a couple of quality bands, that granted, are basically UNBEATABLE when it comes to bm, but most of it is sorta lame suicidal bm.

Having said that. I'm really, really into Walknut lately. Have been for a year or so, but I'm on a huge Walknut kick right now. Incredible band, which is surprising considering that both members are from sorta lame bands.

Wrath of the Weak

Anyone into black metal, specifically 'Merican black metal, yeehaw, check out Wrath of the Weak. =| If you're into shoegaze type shit as well, you'll like this even more (though this is very aggressive in its beauty). I love Wrath of the Weak's take on bm. It sorta, sorta counts as 'ambient bm' but it's.. not really soothing or ambient the way that 'Filosofem' is or Paysage d'hiver is. It's really violent, harsh but beautiful and melodic.

Check out 'Always in Anger'.

To give you an idea..

He counts Wolfgang Voigt, Weakling, Bardo Pond and Steve Reich as some of his influences from what I know.

Walknut sounds good. Reminds of Nyktalgia or Beatrik. Perhaps a touch of Wigrid.

What you on about though, 'sort of lame bands' Forest and Temnozor are incredible. I have a Nitberg tape that is unreal. Totally killer.

Have you heard Sterbend? Proper good like

WEAKLING are brilliant. I agree.

hate -core.

ensiferum, slayer, bloodbath, grave, dismember, entombed, sepultura, MESHUGGAH

+TORMENT+ wrote:WEAKLING are brilliant. I agree.

Shit yeah they are. There's something about American black metal coming from a non-black metal background (WITTR and crust punk, Weakling from indie rock, Krallice from post-hardcore and technical metal, Wrath of the Weak from.. well music in general I guess and Velvet Cacoon from ambient music) that's just so good. I don't care if they have "indie cred", that shit's gooood.

Capo Ultra wrote:Walknut sounds good. Reminds of Nyktalgia or Beatrik. Perhaps a touch of Wigrid.

What you on about though, 'sort of lame bands' Forest and Temnozor are incredible. I have a Nitberg tape that is unreal. Totally killer.

Have you heard Sterbend? Proper good like

It's really, really hard for me to like "black metal that sounds like it was recorded in a tin can" these days, or at least.. when it's not ambient bm. I used to love that shit, it's the first bm I got into since the first records I checked out were "Transilvanian Hunger" and "Nattens Madrigal", which I still love, but these days.. I don't know. Can't get into it... and I'm always very critical of folky black metal. It's incredibly hard to pull off, hence why I'm not into Temnozor. I love folk metal influenced by black metal, but the other way around? I don't know, man. As I said, I find it really hard to pull off and some bands have successfully done it (Drudkh?) and when they did, it was incredible, but the majority doesn't resonate with me.

And yeees, I've heard Greven! They're regional. I'm Dutch and all, but I live near the German border and they live near the Dutch border. I like them. Great sense of melody. Their singer sounds like Varg/John Gossard which is always a plus.

Yeah the vocals are very Varg like. which is great!

Weakling is one of the best things I've ever heard. Second track sounds like Iron Maiden on crack. Has anyone seen The Fucking Champs live? Amazing. They certainly love 'the riff'.

Capo Ultra wrote:Yeah the vocals are very Varg like. which is great!

Weakling is one of the best things I've ever heard. Second track sounds like Iron Maiden on crack. Has anyone seen The Fucking Champs live? Amazing. They certainly love 'the riff'.

Weakling is what made me a straight up bm fan many many moons ago. I started writing riffs that were inspired by Weakling and stuff about a year ago after my death metal and crossover thrash bands broke up. Nothing came from that, though. It's funny because I look like I should be playing in Broken Social Scene or something like that instead of a bm band.

I know what you mean, as in... 'Dead As Dreams' being Iron Maiden on crack, but what it reminds me of even more is Candlemass (Gothic Stone/The Well of Souls?). The slow, crawling, melodic and harmonic intro gets me every time and the build up, with the tremolo picked riff is I think one of my favorite moments in music history, period.

Haven't seen the Fucking Champs live, but I'd like to.

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Just got back from Cephalic fucking Carnage. It was fucking incredible.

I originally come from the extreme metal/grindcore/hardcore etc. scene. I think most bands these days sound stale, there's not a whole lot of stuff that exites me a lot, mainly in Death Metal where virtually nothing has happened in the last 15 years. Most bands play in the Suffocation/Pyrexia style and as good as these people are on their instruments, their music has very little identity. I mainly listen to classic old stuff from bands like Disrupt, early Carcass or Terrorizer. Bands that I like nowadays:
Napalm Death
Nasum
Phobia
Dropdead
Eyehategod
Entombed
Slayer
I also play in a Grindcore band called Nyctophobic. We have some new stuff coming up after 9 years of silence. Some newer bands worth checking out are
Gadget
Insect Warfare
Catheter
Golden Gorilla
Black Shape Of Nexus
Indian
Middian

I sorta regret not buying Insect Warfare's LP when it was still on 625 Thrashcore, it's one of my favorite labels, they've since sold the rights to Earache. They've released shit by a band my friend is in named XBRAINIAX.