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Mico Viejo wrote:

Naus wrote:theres alot of good uk hip hop artist out there that are in no way connected to grime.

depends what u mean by "good". if u mean technically okay but working in a musical genre they didnt invent and havent really contributed anythign new to beyond finally quitting putting on an american accent, then yeah. if on the other hand u think that 4something 2b good it needs to be original, fresh, exciting, genuine, forward-thinking and appropriate for the time and place in which its created (i.e not still fucking harping back to some golden age of hip hop in the bronx 1981) then no. they're mostly shit.

grime IS uk hip hop. that other thing ppl call uk hip hop is mostly just substandard american hip hop made by some english ppl. and we dont even have the excuse the french have (who also produce just american hip hop, and mostly comemercial shit at that) in that they dont understand the lyrics of the original so they need to make their own.

if u want hip hop then listen to the real thing. if u want good, original british MCing... then there is only grime.[/i]

Out of everything I've ever seen on the internet, that post possibly offends me the most XD

The differences between american and uk hip hop are vast.

American hip hop - Upbeat backing tracks, large amount of focus on the rappers flow, lyrical content either about the rapper themselves or some pop culture ideal and also imo more simple production techniques.

Uk hip hop - Darker/melancholy backing beats, large focus on the LYRICS of the rapper with a tendency to use lots of metaphor and double similie type things, lyrical content generally political, more complex/interesting production.

I find it strange because to me american hip hop has been dwindling for years in its little rut where nothing inovative or different has come out for ages but uk hip hop is where all of the new forward thinking ideas are being put to use.

http://www.myspace.com/rhymeasylum <<<<No american artist stands up to them or tons of other people I could pull up...

Grime's for the peeps who feel proud of living in the worst places in the country, love concrete, drugs, being disrespectful to their mothers, hate sprouts and seem to like stabbing each other like there's no yesterday.
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paravrais wrote:

Mico Viejo wrote:

Naus wrote:theres alot of good uk hip hop artist out there that are in no way connected to grime.

depends what u mean by "good". if u mean technically okay but working in a musical genre they didnt invent and havent really contributed anythign new to beyond finally quitting putting on an american accent, then yeah. if on the other hand u think that 4something 2b good it needs to be original, fresh, exciting, genuine, forward-thinking and appropriate for the time and place in which its created (i.e not still fucking harping back to some golden age of hip hop in the bronx 1981) then no. they're mostly shit.

grime IS uk hip hop. that other thing ppl call uk hip hop is mostly just substandard american hip hop made by some english ppl. and we dont even have the excuse the french have (who also produce just american hip hop, and mostly comemercial shit at that) in that they dont understand the lyrics of the original so they need to make their own.

if u want hip hop then listen to the real thing. if u want good, original british MCing... then there is only grime.[/i]

Out of everything I've ever seen on the internet, that post possibly offends me the most XD

The differences between american and uk hip hop are vast.

American hip hop - Upbeat backing tracks, large amount of focus on the rappers flow, lyrical content either about the rapper themselves or some pop culture ideal and also imo more simple production techniques.

Uk hip hop - Darker/melancholy backing beats, large focus on the LYRICS of the rapper with a tendency to use lots of metaphor and double similie type things, lyrical content generally political, more complex/interesting production.

I find it strange because to me american hip hop has been dwindling for years in its little rut where nothing inovative or different has come out for ages but uk hip hop is where all of the new forward thinking ideas are being put to use.

http://www.myspace.com/rhymeasylum <<<<No american artist stands up to them or tons of other people I could pull up...

heh you obviously listen to just mainstream american hip hop
peep the stuff on def jux or anticon for starters

anticon are a bunch of whiny emo whiteboys

yellowhighlighter wrote:anticon are a bunch of whiny emo whiteboys

haven't heard the new stuff

Grime is made by fourteen year olds with a cracked copy of FL studio with stock patches and a lot of caffeine.

Dubstep is made by fifteen year olds.

Dynamat wrote:Shocked by the lack of knowledge, dubstep does owe a big thankyou to grime no doubt about it and anyone who thinks grime was just 15 year old kids shouting fighting talk at eachother hasnt looked into it enough, which is fair wnough if that was the impression you was on. Initially alot of grime stemmed away from Uk garage to AVOID mc's...Uk garage got all pop musicy and people wanted the dirtyness back so made stuff that wasnt friendly to the melodic party style vocals of uk garage at the time.

No doubt grime got well and truly arse raped by grime crews fighting eachother but the roots were speak for themselves.

Youngstar for instance a classic example of someone wanting to move away from the happy vocaly garage of 98-01 ish times.

Have a listen through the old all star producers, notice the names for a start were theres plenty of now dubstep names.

And anyone who says dubstep took nothing from grime after listening to this is a LIAR

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3MEgsMHYCo

I agree with this from what I know (or think I know). I wouldn't say most but I'd say a lot of people on this forum and undoubtedly a lot of producers of dubstep listened and enjoy(ed) grime. I still like good instrumental grime sets. I do agree however that the reputation of grime has suffered as a result of some terrible MC'in.

You only have to listen to a Plastician set to hear grime and dubstep work well together.

And to answer anyone saying grime is badly produced. I agree dubstep is better produced in terms of the actual sound quality and level of expertise involved whereas grime is often simple and generally looped over, but if it sounds good who cares.

I'd love to hear new tunes from the likes of Jon E Cash, Alias, Youngstar, etc more than I would most dubstep producers tbh.

feeling what Mico had to say - think its insightful and not offensive or generalizing in the least



yes but no but yes but no but yes but no like innit?

did he say there is a crack 4 fruity loops so i can jump on the danbnagow

pinupguillotine wrote:did he say there is a crack 4 fruity loops so i can jump on the danbnagow

There are no cracks for fruity loops. It's uncrackable.

Xzazael wrote:

pinupguillotine wrote:did he say there is a crack 4 fruity loops so i can jump on the danbnagow

There are no cracks for fruity loops. It's uncrackable.

Youre joking right?

Whos got crack?


/end grime mode

fruityloops + crack = grime?

using cracked software automatically makes it a grime tune you know, regardless of what it sounds like

Dynamat wrote:Shocked by the lack of knowledge, dubstep does owe a big thankyou to grime no doubt about it and anyone who thinks grime was just 15 year old kids shouting fighting talk at eachother hasnt looked into it enough, which is fair wnough if that was the impression you was on. Initially alot of grime stemmed away from Uk garage to AVOID mc's...Uk garage got all pop musicy and people wanted the dirtyness back so made stuff that wasnt friendly to the melodic party style vocals of uk garage at the time.

No doubt grime got well and truly arse raped by grime crews fighting eachother but the roots were speak for themselves.

Youngstar for instance a classic example of someone wanting to move away from the happy vocaly garage of 98-01 ish times.

Have a listen through the old all star producers, notice the names for a start were theres plenty of now dubstep names.

And anyone who says dubstep took nothing from grime after listening to this is a LIAR

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3MEgsMHYCo

Good post.

I think people are getting a bit confused between "grime" and "shit grime". There's shit music from all genres... don't tar all the artists with the same brush.

I disagree with the idea that someone posted that Grime has nothing to do with UKHH - it was at the very least a 2nd UKHH scene at the most it was the pinnacle of the UKHH scene. Yeah, traditionally, UK Hip Hop has been acts like Foreign Beggars, Jehst, Klashnekoff, Conflict etc who very much did the NYC/Anticon/backpacker thing... but Grime took the idea of UK MCs and put them over, and this is the important bit, UK BEATS.

When I first heard Boy In Da Corner, my initial reaction was that UKHH had finally done something worthwhile - a proper London lyricist rhyming on proper London beats - I got into grime big time around then. The sad thing was that everyone was obsessed with labelling it as "Grime" and so certain UKHH heads ignored it and certain Grime heads ignored so much of the talent that was practically dormant in the UKHH scene - cruely wasted MCs on lacklustre beats.

So you end up with a situation where serious lyricists are compelled to stick to Americanised "hip hop" beats and the producers making properly British grime beats are stuck with MCs who should really just be hyping up jungle DJs.

Put it this way, I'd rather hear a Wiley production than a Joe Buddha production, but I'd rather listen to Klashnekoff than Skepta.

SORT IT OUT!

PHASEten wrote:

Xzazael wrote:

pinupguillotine wrote:did he say there is a crack 4 fruity loops so i can jump on the danbnagow

There are no cracks for fruity loops. It's uncrackable.

Youre joking right?

LOL. Must be a joke.

roodbwoy wrote:fruityloops + crack = grime?

this

Magma wrote:

Dynamat wrote:Shocked by the lack of knowledge, dubstep does owe a big thankyou to grime no doubt about it and anyone who thinks grime was just 15 year old kids shouting fighting talk at eachother hasnt looked into it enough, which is fair wnough if that was the impression you was on. Initially alot of grime stemmed away from Uk garage to AVOID mc's...Uk garage got all pop musicy and people wanted the dirtyness back so made stuff that wasnt friendly to the melodic party style vocals of uk garage at the time.

No doubt grime got well and truly arse raped by grime crews fighting eachother but the roots were speak for themselves.

Youngstar for instance a classic example of someone wanting to move away from the happy vocaly garage of 98-01 ish times.

Have a listen through the old all star producers, notice the names for a start were theres plenty of now dubstep names.

And anyone who says dubstep took nothing from grime after listening to this is a LIAR

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3MEgsMHYCo

Good post.

I think people are getting a bit confused between "grime" and "shit grime". There's shit music from all genres... don't tar all the artists with the same brush.

I disagree with the idea that someone posted that Grime has nothing to do with UKHH - it was at the very least a 2nd UKHH scene at the most it was the pinnacle of the UKHH scene. Yeah, traditionally, UK Hip Hop has been acts like Foreign Beggars, Jehst, Klashnekoff, Conflict etc who very much did the NYC/Anticon/backpacker thing... but Grime took the idea of UK MCs and put them over, and this is the important bit, UK BEATS.

When I first heard Boy In Da Corner, my initial reaction was that UKHH had finally done something worthwhile - a proper London lyricist rhyming on proper London beats - I got into grime big time around then. The sad thing was that everyone was obsessed with labelling it as "Grime" and so certain UKHH heads ignored it and certain Grime heads ignored so much of the talent that was practically dormant in the UKHH scene - cruely wasted MCs on lacklustre beats.

So you end up with a situation where serious lyricists are compelled to stick to Americanised "hip hop" beats and the producers making properly British grime beats are stuck with MCs who should really just be hyping up jungle DJs.

Put it this way, I'd rather hear a Wiley production than a Joe Buddha production, but I'd rather listen to Klashnekoff than Skepta.

SORT IT OUT!

honestly i couldn't agree more, production in traditional UK hip hop has always been lacking for me.

^

WHAT!?!?!?! UKHH beats are immense and hugely inspiring hehehe