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elibomyekip wrote:Hey guys

tr0tsky wrote:If you wouldn't call an Asian a 'paki' or a black person a 'nig-nog' don't call either Roma or Sinti or Irish Travellers a 'pikey'.


It's not on.

The country is home to about 150,000, who live mainly in squalid conditions on the outskirts of major cities such as Rome, Milan and Naples. They amount to less than 0.3 per cent of the population, one of the lowest proportions in Europe. In general, the ethnic group lives apart and is often blamed for petty theft and burglaries.[37]

On July 3, 2008 it was announced that Italy had started fingerprinting their Romani populations, despite accusations of racism by human rights advocates and international organizations. Interior Minister Roberto Maroni told parliament the move was needed to fight crime and identify illegal immigrants for expulsion, but also to improve the lives of those legally living in the makeshift, often unsanitary camps.[38]

On July 19, 2008 two Romani girls drowned off Torregaveta, west of Naples. A group of four Romani children had gone into the water despite a warning being issued about rough seas. When the children began to drown, beachgoers and lifeguards rescued two of them, but two girls, Christina Ibramovitc and Violetta Ibramovitc were dead by the time they had been pulled out of the water. The two bodies were laid out on the sand and covered up with towels. Local newspapers reported that sunbathers continued as normal with a day at the beach despite the bodies of the two girls lying there for an hour.[39] A crowd of curious onlookers that had gathered around the bodies quickly dispersed. After an hour, a mortuary van arrived to collect the bodies. People reacted with indifference as the bodies were loaded into coffins and carried away. Photographs of the incident drew condemnation from Italian newspapers, an archbishop, and civil liberties campaigners. Hostility to the Romanis has been growing in recent years, and according to Enzo Esposito of Opera Nomadi, Italy's largest Romani organisation, the events on the beach "showed a terrible lack of sensitivity and respect."[40]

On September 4, 2008 the European Commission said Italy's census of illegal Romani camps does not discriminate against the Romani community. They said the census is in line with European Union law. An analysis of an Italian report on the census showed it did not seek "data based on ethnic origin or religion," said Michele Cercone, spokesman for European Justice Commissioner Jacques Barrot. The controversial fingerprinting programme has the sole aim of "identifying persons who cannot be identified in any other way," he said. The fingerprinting of minors was only being carried out "in strictly necessary cases and as the ultimate possibility of identification," Cercone said.[41][broken citation][42]

In May 2008 Romani camps in Naples, Italy were attacked and set on fire by local residents.[43] In July 2008, the Italian government began fingerprinting all Romanies, including children, whether or not they are Italian citizens. The government claimed fingerprinting would cut crime, avoid children being used for begging and help identify illegal immigrants for expulsion.[44]

In Italy, the government recently tried to blame the Romani population for crimes that happened in large cities[citation needed] and has claimed that there is a Roma Emergency. Marco Impagliazzo, president of the Community of Sant'Egidio human rights organization said: There is no national emergency ... What is an emergency is that in the 21st century the life expectancy of a gypsy living in Italy is under 60 years of age.[45]

A study done by an Italian anthropologist revealed that stereotypes are stronger in the Italian mind than the reality itself. She investigated a series of child kidnappings in Italy done supposedly by Romani women, and found that not even one of them was actually true.[46]

tr0tsky wrote:

An estimated 500,000 died in the Holocaust because Hitler deemed them to be 'rootless parasites' and they face similar discrimination today in Eastern Europe and scarily in Italy, too.


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tr0tsky wrote:Also, not only are the travellers in the UK not 'gypsies' (itself a racist term: the Roma are from India and not from Egypt) but the anti-Roma prejudice that you reel off is nothing new.


An estimated 500,000 died in the Holocaust because Hitler deemed them to be 'rootless parasites' and they face similar discrimination today in Eastern Europe and scarily in Italy, too.

The country is home to about 150,000, who live mainly in squalid conditions on the outskirts of major cities such as Rome, Milan and Naples. They amount to less than 0.3 per cent of the population, one of the lowest proportions in Europe. In general, the ethnic group lives apart and is often blamed for petty theft and burglaries.[37]

On July 3, 2008 it was announced that Italy had started fingerprinting their Romani populations, despite accusations of racism by human rights advocates and international organizations. Interior Minister Roberto Maroni told parliament the move was needed to fight crime and identify illegal immigrants for expulsion, but also to improve the lives of those legally living in the makeshift, often unsanitary camps.[38]

On July 19, 2008 two Romani girls drowned off Torregaveta, west of Naples. A group of four Romani children had gone into the water despite a warning being issued about rough seas. When the children began to drown, beachgoers and lifeguards rescued two of them, but two girls, Christina Ibramovitc and Violetta Ibramovitc were dead by the time they had been pulled out of the water. The two bodies were laid out on the sand and covered up with towels. Local newspapers reported that sunbathers continued as normal with a day at the beach despite the bodies of the two girls lying there for an hour.[39] A crowd of curious onlookers that had gathered around the bodies quickly dispersed. After an hour, a mortuary van arrived to collect the bodies. People reacted with indifference as the bodies were loaded into coffins and carried away. Photographs of the incident drew condemnation from Italian newspapers, an archbishop, and civil liberties campaigners. Hostility to the Romanis has been growing in recent years, and according to Enzo Esposito of Opera Nomadi, Italy's largest Romani organisation, the events on the beach "showed a terrible lack of sensitivity and respect."[40]

On September 4, 2008 the European Commission said Italy's census of illegal Romani camps does not discriminate against the Romani community. They said the census is in line with European Union law. An analysis of an Italian report on the census showed it did not seek "data based on ethnic origin or religion," said Michele Cercone, spokesman for European Justice Commissioner Jacques Barrot. The controversial fingerprinting programme has the sole aim of "identifying persons who cannot be identified in any other way," he said. The fingerprinting of minors was only being carried out "in strictly necessary cases and as the ultimate possibility of identification," Cercone said.[41][broken citation][42]

In May 2008 Romani camps in Naples, Italy were attacked and set on fire by local residents.[43] In July 2008, the Italian government began fingerprinting all Romanies, including children, whether or not they are Italian citizens. The government claimed fingerprinting would cut crime, avoid children being used for begging and help identify illegal immigrants for expulsion.[44]

In Italy, the government recently tried to blame the Romani population for crimes that happened in large cities[citation needed] and has claimed that there is a Roma Emergency. Marco Impagliazzo, president of the Community of Sant'Egidio human rights organization said: There is no national emergency ... What is an emergency is that in the 21st century the life expectancy of a gypsy living in Italy is under 60 years of age.[45]

A study done by an Italian anthropologist revealed that stereotypes are stronger in the Italian mind than the reality itself. She investigated a series of child kidnappings in Italy done supposedly by Romani women, and found that not even one of them was actually true.[46]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiziganism#Italy

tr0tsky wrote:Yeah, nig-nogs are a valued, contributing part of mainstream society, who never break the law or anything.

They are delicious and intelligent. They also hate fighting and always clear up their mess.




Yeah, Jews are a valued, contributing part of mainstream society, who never break the law or anything.

They are delicious and intelligent. They also hate fighting and always clear up their mess.





Yeah, Paki's are a valued, contributing part of mainstream society, who never break the law or anything.

They are delicious and intelligent. They also hate fighting and always clear up their mess.




Yeah, homosexuals are a valued, contributing part of mainstream society, who never break the law or anything.

They are delicious and intelligent. They also hate fighting and always clear up their mess.

rbnc wrote:I don't actually think of the groups you've mentioned above are stigmatised with the issues I highlighted, if you think they are, that is your view of them manifesting itself. Being a Jew myself, I'd hope you thought better of us too .

Another point is that, I can think of many, many members of each of those groups above who do actually contribute to society, but I've never heard of someone who is both a traveler and a doctor or a anthropologist or something.

tr0tsky wrote:Also, not only are the travellers in the UK not 'gypsies' (itself a racist term: the Roma are from India and not from Egypt) but the anti-Roma prejudice that you reel off is nothing new.


An estimated 500,000 died in the Holocaust because Hitler deemed them to be 'rootless parasites' and they face similar discrimination today in Eastern Europe and scarily in Italy, too.

The country is home to about 150,000, who live mainly in squalid conditions on the outskirts of major cities such as Rome, Milan and Naples. They amount to less than 0.3 per cent of the population, one of the lowest proportions in Europe. In general, the ethnic group lives apart and is often blamed for petty theft and burglaries.[37]

On July 3, 2008 it was announced that Italy had started fingerprinting their Romani populations, despite accusations of racism by human rights advocates and international organizations. Interior Minister Roberto Maroni told parliament the move was needed to fight crime and identify illegal immigrants for expulsion, but also to improve the lives of those legally living in the makeshift, often unsanitary camps.[38]

On July 19, 2008 two Romani girls drowned off Torregaveta, west of Naples. A group of four Romani children had gone into the water despite a warning being issued about rough seas. When the children began to drown, beachgoers and lifeguards rescued two of them, but two girls, Christina Ibramovitc and Violetta Ibramovitc were dead by the time they had been pulled out of the water. The two bodies were laid out on the sand and covered up with towels. Local newspapers reported that sunbathers continued as normal with a day at the beach despite the bodies of the two girls lying there for an hour.[39] A crowd of curious onlookers that had gathered around the bodies quickly dispersed. After an hour, a mortuary van arrived to collect the bodies. People reacted with indifference as the bodies were loaded into coffins and carried away. Photographs of the incident drew condemnation from Italian newspapers, an archbishop, and civil liberties campaigners. Hostility to the Romanis has been growing in recent years, and according to Enzo Esposito of Opera Nomadi, Italy's largest Romani organisation, the events on the beach "showed a terrible lack of sensitivity and respect."[40]

On September 4, 2008 the European Commission said Italy's census of illegal Romani camps does not discriminate against the Romani community. They said the census is in line with European Union law. An analysis of an Italian report on the census showed it did not seek "data based on ethnic origin or religion," said Michele Cercone, spokesman for European Justice Commissioner Jacques Barrot. The controversial fingerprinting programme has the sole aim of "identifying persons who cannot be identified in any other way," he said. The fingerprinting of minors was only being carried out "in strictly necessary cases and as the ultimate possibility of identification," Cercone said.[41][broken citation][42]

In May 2008 Romani camps in Naples, Italy were attacked and set on fire by local residents.[43] In July 2008, the Italian government began fingerprinting all Romanies, including children, whether or not they are Italian citizens. The government claimed fingerprinting would cut crime, avoid children being used for begging and help identify illegal immigrants for expulsion.[44]

In Italy, the government recently tried to blame the Romani population for crimes that happened in large cities[citation needed] and has claimed that there is a Roma Emergency. Marco Impagliazzo, president of the Community of Sant'Egidio human rights organization said: There is no national emergency ... What is an emergency is that in the 21st century the life expectancy of a gypsy living in Italy is under 60 years of age.[45]

A study done by an Italian anthropologist revealed that stereotypes are stronger in the Italian mind than the reality itself. She investigated a series of child kidnappings in Italy done supposedly by Romani women, and found that not even one of them was actually true.[46]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiziganism#Italy