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Is it it warez if the company is dead?
Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 9:54 pm
by b166er
I was looking for a filter on KVR, something small and different, and came upon Frantic Filter by Basement Arts and went to the website to check it out, and the website was dead. So, thinking that maybe they might've moved locations, I googled Frantic Filter VST and a few *ahem* sites came up. I read about it and figured it was the only demo I could find so i torrent it, and found it amazing, fuck it, I'll buy this. But I cant buy it anywhere! And Basement Arts is no longer in the biz! So, can i keep it in good conscience, with the company defunct?
Re: Is it it warez if the company is dead?
Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 10:10 pm
by Blue Patterns
no mans land software really.
it's like downloading a copy of Logic 5. why anyone would use that now I dunno...but it's kinda like that.
Re: Is it it warez if the company is dead?
Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 10:11 pm
by ketamine
Blue Patterns wrote: why anyone would use that now I dunno...
Re: Is it it warez if the company is dead?
Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 10:18 pm
by b166er
Blue Patterns wrote:no mans land software really.
it's like downloading a copy of Logic 5. why anyone would use that now I dunno
If i use Logic 5.5 will i sound like Benga, too?
I woulda used it anyways, its really an awesome filter, so many routings crazy! I cant even think of a filter thats like it today!
Re: Is it it warez if the company is dead?
Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 10:23 pm
by Blue Patterns
I have to be honest...if Logic 5.5 was a stable program I might actually consider use it.
never heard of that filter though...sounds interesting. download it!
Re: Is it it warez if the company is dead?
Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 10:33 pm
by komanderkin
well theoretically it would be classified as 'warez'. the company is dead, the product is no longer available, but it has never been released as freeware. on the other hand, even if using it is illegal... there's no one left to sue you for it.
Re: Is it it warez if the company is dead?
Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 11:08 pm
by deadly_habit
abandonware land
Re: Is it it warez if the company is dead?
Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 11:11 pm
by b166er
Yes this filter is badass. LFOs, 8 different routing slots, its really intense. Its modeled after the Korg MS20, Oberheim Xpander, OSC Oscar, Sherman Filterbank and Moog Filters (Yes that many diff filter types!). From what i can tell BA stopped making it in 2006. This is truly amazing. Of course if you can live with yourself....
Re: Is it it warez if the company is dead?
Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 11:11 pm
by deadly_habit
b166er wrote:Yes this filter is badass. LFOs, 8 different routing slots, its really intense. Its modeled after the Korg MS20, Oberheim Xpander, OSC Oscar, Sherman Filterbank and Moog Filters (Yes that many diff filter types!). From what i can tell BA stopped making it in 2006. This is truly amazing. Of course if you can live with yourself....
you sure the dev didn't switch companies and release it under a diff name?
Re: Is it it warez if the company is dead?
Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 11:22 pm
by b166er
deadly habit wrote:
you sure the dev didn't switch companies and release it under a diff name?
Pretty much, Google it yourself. Frantic Filter by Basement Arts. Everything I've checked says BA, even KVR stills says BA. Whats a brotha to do?
Heres KVRs page:
http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1707.html
Re: Is it it warez if the company is dead?
Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 11:29 pm
by deadly_habit
b166er wrote:deadly habit wrote:
you sure the dev didn't switch companies and release it under a diff name?
Pretty much, Google it yourself. Frantic Filter by Basement Arts. Everything I've checked says BA, even KVR stills says BA. Whats a brotha to do?
Heres KVRs page:
http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1707.html
yea it's abandonware from the look of it, a grey area so no harm no foul in my book, but while searching came across this lil gem of a thread
http://www.gearslutz.com/board/electron ... -test.html
Re: Is it it warez if the company is dead?
Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 11:36 pm
by b166er
That makes me sleepy just reading the thread! Holy Christ! Who even has that kind of time to detail all those filters like that? And ultimately it seems to come down to whats pretty much known, tatse. If you like that way xfilter sounds, use it!
Re: Is it it warez if the company is dead?
Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 11:40 pm
by deadly_habit
b166er wrote:
That makes me sleepy just reading the thread! Holy christ! Who even has that kind of time to detail all those filters like that?
a dedicated gear slut
Re: Is it it warez if the company is dead?
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 12:11 am
by nowaysj
Does this filter sound good? How does it stack up to the wow filter? Nitro?
Have we ever gotten close to any kind of consensus of the best sounding vst filter?
We all know it's subjective, but there must be a filter that just sounds good.
I think Sylenth's filter is one of the best sounding vst filter's I've ever heard, though it's attached to the synth. Think Arturia's minimoog filter sounds pretty good too.
Re: Is it it warez if the company is dead?
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 12:35 am
by b166er
nowaysj wrote:Does this filter sound good? How does it stack up to the wow filter? Nitro?
Have we ever gotten close to any kind of consensus of the best sounding vst filter?
We all know it's subjective, but there must be a filter that just sounds good.
I think Sylenth's filter is one of the best sounding vst filter's I've ever heard, though it's attached to the synth. Think Arturia's minimoog filter sounds pretty good too.
If you go to that gearsluts thread, download all of the tested files and listen (remember to check like types, No res with No res, Res with Res. I'm very pref to AD's Dr. Device, at 3pole/500hz its just nice and thick with little if any distortion. Its a good run-through of filters, can be an argument breaker too! The Frantic Filter sounds thin comparatively, but its not horrible, specially being technically free...
Re: Is it it warez if the company is dead?
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 12:43 am
by wormcode
Yeah technically it would still be illegal as the copyright is still alive even if the company is not, similar to when an artist dies, their music or artwork doesn't automatically become public domain. With abandonware as mentioned it's a grey area really, as with artist copyrights there is an estate that holds the copyright after the death, with companies, anything could have happened... shame, they seem to have been making some nice software.
Seems this is the last time their site was updated :
28. October 2007, DSP Bridge
We hoped to have DSP Bridge released by today. Unfortunately, this is not happening. Our current plan is releasing a customer only beta for the around December 2007. We are sorry for the delay, thank you for you understanding and support!
Maybe this can help to get into contact if someone wishes:
BasementArts consists of producers, dj's and songwriters.
This group developes in intensive co-operation with BasementArts tools, that simplifies the daily work in your studio-environment.
The effective use stands in the interaction of saving time in the first place.
The Basement Arts Members consist of the Gary Bruckheimer Mastering Labs, Gary Bruckheimer himself,
Chillout Producer Symbiont, Musictalents Online Label, Technospezialst DaHool, Dance Producer Tommaso De Donatis (Producer of DJ Quicksilver), Electromusicians such as Cloinc, Funkstoerung and many more.