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I'm getting tired of that certain sound Massive has. I don't know how to explain it. But all the sounds I get out of it sound like Datsik or Dubba Johny style basses. I have FM8 but it's like rocket science to me . I'm looking for something as simple and as easy to use as massive, but with a different sounding bass. I've seen some videos on Razor and I love the sounds it creates, except it needs Reaktor to run and I just can't afford that. Any suggestions? This is my first post on this forum, btw.

Amen, I've been messing around with massive for a couple weeks now, and everything i come up with, or a tutorial comes up with, sounds like F***ing DUBBA JOHNNY. Or all these kids on soundcloud posting their "tunes" which sound like they got a wobble, and through it on random in the stepper. Please, what else is somewhat beginner friendly and doesn't sound like this.. for wobbles and basses at least.

I feel like this is massive in a nutshell...

0;30 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lD1idt1Fw84

Dude, I freaking know. I don't want to sound like everyone else.

check out z3ta

The reason everything you're making in massive sounds the same I'd guess is because you're following the same tutorials that all make the same shit sounds while falling into a comfort zone of which wavetables/settings you're using. There are a lot of producers who use massive that sound nothing alike. Buying a new synths isn't going to change how you sound if you head straight to youtube to copy the same tutorials 10,000 other people are watching and slapping into their tunes. You've got 2 amazing synths on your hands, turn off your internet, forget what the tutorials 'taught' you, and just experiment with the 90 different waveforms your given and make something different

^ exactly. a shoddy workman blames his tools.

You can run razor from the free version of reaktor.

Huts wrote:The reason everything you're making in massive sounds the same I'd guess is because you're following the same tutorials that all make the same shit sounds while falling into a comfort zone of which wavetables/settings you're using. There are a lot of producers who use massive that sound nothing alike. Buying a new synths isn't going to change how you sound if you head straight to youtube to copy the same tutorials 10,000 other people are watching and slapping into their tunes. You've got 2 amazing synths on your hands, turn off your internet, forget what the tutorials 'taught' you, and just experiment with the 90 different waveforms your given and make something different

I actually do not use youtube tutorials, because of that exact reason. But you are right, I might be giving up on it a little too soon. I should definitely experiment more. But I still wouldn't mind using something different.

Coolschmid wrote:You can run razor from the free version of reaktor.

You can? What do you mean by "free version"? Do mean the demo version?

Huts wrote:The reason everything you're making in massive sounds the same I'd guess is because you're following the same tutorials that all make the same shit sounds while falling into a comfort zone of which wavetables/settings you're using. There are a lot of producers who use massive that sound nothing alike. Buying a new synths isn't going to change how you sound if you head straight to youtube to copy the same tutorials 10,000 other people are watching and slapping into their tunes. You've got 2 amazing synths on your hands, turn off your internet, forget what the tutorials 'taught' you, and just experiment with the 90 different waveforms your given and make something different

I want to LEARN. Trust me, I realize how idiotic the hundreds of "make skrillex growl BEST ON YOUTUBE" are, but how else should I learn?

I'm not copying them, i'm using them as tools to learn what does what, however poorly. It's better than as you suggested, turn off my internet and stare at massive, and just make something, which IMO I'd more likely end up needing to replace my smashed keyboard and monitor than finding a unique sound.

It's not just new producers being lazy, I see people on these forums say it all the time, that massive has a distinct sound, then someone refutes it, etc. so who knows if it's true. Then I try it out and even I notice how similar everything sounds in the realm of basses, and makes me nervous about sinking hundreds of dollars and hours into something that'll end up sounding shit and generic.

I don't doubt massive is powerful, but what else , even if it only serves as placebo, is as/almost as powerful as massive and will be well worth my time. I'm more than willing to put in time and work hard as long as there is at least a hazy goal in sight and i don't have this nagging feeling I'm going to end up in the same boat as all these other shit producers.

did the bass in my sig inside massive and I don't sound like dubba johnny... do I? please no ahah quit playing inside the box and wrap your head around resampling and automation.

I know what you mean, you can only make so many bass sounds with massive alone, try layering your basses and coming up with new sounds

sn0wday wrote:

Huts wrote:The reason everything you're making in massive sounds the same I'd guess is because you're following the same tutorials that all make the same shit sounds while falling into a comfort zone of which wavetables/settings you're using. There are a lot of producers who use massive that sound nothing alike. Buying a new synths isn't going to change how you sound if you head straight to youtube to copy the same tutorials 10,000 other people are watching and slapping into their tunes. You've got 2 amazing synths on your hands, turn off your internet, forget what the tutorials 'taught' you, and just experiment with the 90 different waveforms your given and make something different

I want to LEARN. Trust me, I realize how idiotic the hundreds of "make skrillex growl BEST ON YOUTUBE" are, but how else should I learn?

I'm not copying them, i'm using them as tools to learn what does what, however poorly. It's better than as you suggested, turn off my internet and stare at massive, and just make something, which IMO I'd more likely end up needing to replace my smashed keyboard and monitor than finding a unique sound.

It's not just new producers being lazy, I see people on these forums say it all the time, that massive has a distinct sound, then someone refutes it, etc. so who knows if it's true. Then I try it out and even I notice how similar everything sounds in the realm of basses, and makes me nervous about sinking hundreds of dollars and hours into something that'll end up sounding shit and generic.

I don't doubt massive is powerful, but what else , even if it only serves as placebo, is as/almost as powerful as massive and will be well worth my time. I'm more than willing to put in time and work hard as long as there is at least a hazy goal in sight and i don't have this nagging feeling I'm going to end up in the same boat as all these other shit producers.

You learn the same way people had to learn when youtube wasn't around. Understand the basics of synthesis, what an envelope is, what certain filters do to a sound, what modulating wavetables/volumes/filters does to a sound etc and you apply what you know to different sounds to get your desired effects.

Using these youtube tutorials as tools to help you make sounds, and reverse engineering them yada yada I used to think the same thing. All it made me do was open massive, load the same 2-3 waveforms, apply the same effects in the same manner, and hope something different came out as a result.. It's not going to happen. Turning off the tutorials on 'how to make x sound' learning the basics and experimenting is the only way you're going to get anything other than whats on youtube. Half of the 'massive has a generic sound' comments are bollocks. If you're using Scrap Yard with an LFO on WT-Position for the 300th time then ya it's going to sound generic, but theres 85 other waves an endless amount of filtering/envelope options, Macro controls, Modulation, Noise, effects etc to transform your sounds.

It seems like you don't even know massive (or synthesis) enough to know WHY massive doesn't meet your needs, learn this first then look for a new synth.

Guys this post was supposed to be for suggestions on other good synths. This isn't about Massive, seriously. Without a doubt Massive is a good synth. But I want to discover other synths as well.

search the forums theres a post like this every week. ablina, predator, z3ta, zebra, abysnth, alchemy, TAL noismaker, tone2 gladiator, Blue, Fm8, Operator, Sytrus, your DAWS native synths, reaktor, Synth1, Sylenth, 20 others (some the same) http://www.musicradar.com/tuition/tech/ ... y-262145/6 , an unimagineable amount of free synths.. At the end of the day it's how you use it not what you're using

your soundcloud green doesn't match ur "I" green

Huts wrote:

sn0wday wrote:

Huts wrote:The reason everything you're making in massive sounds the same I'd guess is because you're following the same tutorials that all make the same shit sounds while falling into a comfort zone of which wavetables/settings you're using. There are a lot of producers who use massive that sound nothing alike. Buying a new synths isn't going to change how you sound if you head straight to youtube to copy the same tutorials 10,000 other people are watching and slapping into their tunes. You've got 2 amazing synths on your hands, turn off your internet, forget what the tutorials 'taught' you, and just experiment with the 90 different waveforms your given and make something different

I want to LEARN. Trust me, I realize how idiotic the hundreds of "make skrillex growl BEST ON YOUTUBE" are, but how else should I learn?

I'm not copying them, i'm using them as tools to learn what does what, however poorly. It's better than as you suggested, turn off my internet and stare at massive, and just make something, which IMO I'd more likely end up needing to replace my smashed keyboard and monitor than finding a unique sound.

It's not just new producers being lazy, I see people on these forums say it all the time, that massive has a distinct sound, then someone refutes it, etc. so who knows if it's true. Then I try it out and even I notice how similar everything sounds in the realm of basses, and makes me nervous about sinking hundreds of dollars and hours into something that'll end up sounding shit and generic.



I don't doubt massive is powerful, but what else , even if it only serves as placebo, is as/almost as powerful as massive and will be well worth my time. I'm more than willing to put in time and work hard as long as there is at least a hazy goal in sight and i don't have this nagging feeling I'm going to end up in the same boat as all these other shit producers.

You learn the same way people had to learn when youtube wasn't around. Understand the basics of synthesis, what an envelope is, what certain filters do to a sound, what modulating wavetables/volumes/filters does to a sound etc and you apply what you know to different sounds to get your desired effects.

Using these youtube tutorials as tools to help you make sounds, and reverse engineering them yada yada I used to think the same thing. All it made me do was open massive, load the same 2-3 waveforms, apply the same effects in the same manner, and hope something different came out as a result.. It's not going to happen. Turning off the tutorials on 'how to make x sound' learning the basics and experimenting is the only way you're going to get anything other than whats on youtube. Half of the 'massive has a generic sound' comments are bollocks. If you're using Scrap Yard with an LFO on WT-Position for the 300th time then ya it's going to sound generic, but theres 85 other waves an endless amount of filtering/envelope options, Macro controls, Modulation, Noise, effects etc to transform your sounds.

It seems like you don't even know massive (or synthesis) enough to know WHY massive doesn't meet your needs, learn this first then look for a new synth.

Alright, youtube isn't the way, I can see that now. but the road to understanding what all these things are, I can't imagine i'd learn the definition of an envelope, what it does, and what it relates to just by simply experimenting, can I? I want to learn all these things, from the ground up, that's the healthiest way to learn it and best way. But how? I mean, if it really is staring at massive for hours and tweaking things, then so be it.

Sorry for all this, production has been rather smooth in terms of learning, but recently I decided to go all out in synth work and it's driving me up the wall...

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I'm not saying youtube isn't a great resource, I use youtube everyday for help with stuff just not the 'how do I make skrillex bass' and 'free patch' tutorials. That's where the trap of sounding the same as every other massive user is coming from. Hit up this thread for some basics on synthesis http://dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=169108 . The guide to dubstep sticky at the top of this forum can answer pretty much all of your basic questions. If there are more specific questions (specifically for massive for example) then search them on google/youtube.

edit: here's a great 2hr tutorial that's specifically for using massive, the previous one I posted was for subtractor but this will probably suit you better. http://www.livestream.com/syrebraltv/vi ... bac2a05803

rayman612 wrote:your soundcloud green doesn't match ur "I" green

Is it supposed to?