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Hey guys,basically i am trying to figure out how to make the sound ducking only in
specific frequencies,for example at 200hz if sidechained to a snare,without having the whole signal ducking.
CAMO&KROOKED are explaining that this is the optimal way to sidechain for
maximum loudness in the youtube video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axkr-rKDumQ @ 4:32 mins.
Since im not on fl,anyone knows of any way to do that on ableton or with any vst compressor?
thanks

Try using an automation clip turning the eq on and off or automating the cut amount if you want it smoother. Then just copy/paste it wherever the snare clips are

On Ableton I'm pretty sure you can do it with the multiband compressor or auto-filter audio effects.

Go to glitchhopforum and search for simteks linear phase frequency splitter (ableton audio effect rack)

Mess with the knobs until you've got the 200hz area selected (more or less, you'll have extra but no big) in the middle band.

Throw a compressor there after the eq (rack), sidechain accordingly

Can also do this with kick + clap for dance music (if necessary)

Just split the signal into frequency bands and sidechain those bands?

It is a lot easier than all these suggestions... Just stick any multiband compressor with a sidechain input on the track you want to compress - restrict one of the bands to 170 - 220 Hz (to taste) and aim it at the snare track!

Ascian wrote:It is a lot easier than all these suggestions... Just stick any multiband compressor with a sidechain input on the track you want to compress - restrict one of the bands to 170 - 220 Hz (to taste) and aim it at the snare track!

dubunked wrote:On Ableton I'm pretty sure you can do it with the multiband compressor or auto-filter audio effects.

OP, do the multiband compressor. it was made for this shit.

Melda dynamic eq. Say no more

Can't you just stick an eq in the sidechain path?

AAbleton's multiband compressor suffers from phase issues. That's why you should do what i suggested.

RmoniK wrote:Just split the signal into frequency bands and sidechain those bands?

By sending the signal into busses with eq's on them? You'll end up with shitloads of busses if you're gonna do that to many tracks.
Or did I miss something?

bouncingfish wrote:

RmoniK wrote:Just split the signal into frequency bands and sidechain those bands?

By sending the signal into busses with eq's on them? You'll end up with shitloads of busses if you're gonna do that to many tracks.
Or did I miss something?

Well since we're assuming OP uses ableton, use audio effect racks. I'm not familiar enough with other DAWs (apart from reason) to know how that would work.

claudedefaren wrote:AAbleton's multiband compressor suffers from phase issues.

Fucking tell me about it

Did you guys read the post?
He want's it to only duck at 200hz. So stick an EQ between the trigger and the sidechain input.

AxeD wrote:Did you guys read the post?
He want's it to only duck at 200hz. So stick an EQ between the trigger and the sidechain input.

he wants the compressed signal to duck at 200 Hz. Not to only trigger when the input hits at 200 hz.

RmoniK wrote:

bouncingfish wrote:

RmoniK wrote:Just split the signal into frequency bands and sidechain those bands?

By sending the signal into busses with eq's on them? You'll end up with shitloads of busses if you're gonna do that to many tracks.
Or did I miss something?

Well since we're assuming OP uses ableton, use audio effect racks. I'm not familiar enough with other DAWs (apart from reason) to know how that would work.

Aha, ok. I'm also interested in this but in Logic i would have to set this up with busses, one bus for los, one for lo mids, one for hi mids etc.
There must be another way!

RmoniK wrote:

AxeD wrote:Did you guys read the post?
He want's it to only duck at 200hz. So stick an EQ between the trigger and the sidechain input.

he wants the compressed signal to duck at 200 Hz. Not to only trigger when the input hits at 200 hz.

I think you guys are miss understanding something. Compressors will only compress the whole signal, it is not frequency dependent. By filtering the sidechain signal you are only letting the threshold 'hear' what you want it to hear to trigger. For example, if you want to use a drum kit as a sidechain input, you can filter everything out but the kick to trigger the sidechain.

Its a general miss conception that crops up all the time, but basically you either need a dynamic eq (check melda free demo) or a multi-band comp (I wouldn't recommend it this way)

That's what i'm saying.

To be honest, the easiest way i can think of to do this if you can't split frequency easily is to duplicate the signal (bass or whatever). then on the duplicate channel, use a sidechain GATE, so the signal only comes through when the snare hits. The filter out the signal so it's only the stuff you want to go away when the snare kicks in. Then reverse the phase of that entire channel. It should work but you might get some phasing.

Yeah that could work, but its a bit complicated and unnecessary.
Have you guys tried the melda dyn eq? Its such a good eq and sick for sidechaining its eq bands dynamically.

Or that I rarely use VSTs apart from synths, i should probably give it a try.