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I've been a trance-head for all my life before I heard Drum & Bass in 06, I started producing for fun and I want to get all those ideas from my head that were trapped in it for years. I like FM8 because FM synthesis was a fairly easy thing to learn and most of the basses I get are 80-100% good. One thing I've been trying is finding out what massive wave-tables look like so I can create them and put them into Harmor (FL Studio user) so I can make a "Better" massive. Always learning about your VST is important because you can save time instead of watching hours of shit tutorials, that's how I found out Nexus 2 wasn't a synthesis but a Rompler, so I can only edit sounds in the library.

tturchi wrote:First thing I was wanting to know (ableton user btw), is why, whenever I warp an acapella sample's speed to increase how fast it plays (by decreasing the bpm) and then drag that sample to a drum rack so I can slice/dice it easier, the sample reverts back to the original speed? I have also done slice to midi track but that doesnt work either.

After changing you acapella try consolidating your clip (right click > consolidate) and then slicing it to midi. That might fix your problem.
(And my tip for ableton users is to change your warp mode to Complex instead of Beats. Just in case you don't know, try it and you'll die, in a good way though).

tturchi wrote:Secondly, those who use massive and FM8. Which do you prefer?

I've used both. They are sooo different and do completely different forms of synthesis, so you can't really compare them, but I would choose Massive if I had to. Also Operator inside of ableton is a fucking monster (fm synthesis too). Play with it.

tturchi wrote:I also was curious to know what was yalls favorite genre of music was before anything electronic?

Metal, hardcore, mathcore, Djent, Post Rock <3, indie rock. I love rap and hiphop (old school stuff, but the newer beats are fresh too).

tturchi wrote:1) Be great at 1 or 2 vsts and not decent at 4 +
2)READ THE MANUAL for your vst

Agreed. The manual for Massive actually helped me get good

tturchi wrote:I can't tell you how many tutorials I used to watch and presets/patches I downloaded. I never could get the patch to sound good at all after modulation. After reading the manual, I finally understood how altering each knob effected the sound of the synth. Trust me this saves a lot of time and frustration.

I can't stand presets anymore and am doing my best to teach people synthesis from the get-go. It's just a better thing to do with your time than looking for that "prefect preset".

metiri wrote:I can't stand presets anymore and am doing my best to teach people synthesis from the get-go. It's just a better thing to do with your time than looking for that "prefect preset".

I say you should make tutorials on youtube, you seem to have the spirit

LogiSpark wrote:

metiri wrote:I can't stand presets anymore and am doing my best to teach people synthesis from the get-go. It's just a better thing to do with your time than looking for that "prefect preset".

I say you should make tutorials on youtube, you seem to have the spirit

http://www.youtube.com/MetiriDubstep

I probably would get a lot of hate from the forum for some of my tutorials, but whatever. I like helping the newbies and anyone in general who wants to learn something I know a lot about.

When mixing down, play the track in reverse so you can focus on the sounds rather than being distracted by the tune/arrangement itself.

When mixing down, listen to the whole track at a very low volume and things that are slightly out of balance will become way more obvious than they were at high volume

LogiSpark wrote:One thing I've been trying is finding out what massive wave-tables look like so I can create them and put them into Harmor (FL Studio user) so I can make a "Better" massive.

Just open up a new sound, don't use any filters except the bypass, and then activate a single wavetable. also don't use any inserts, effects, LFOs, or anything else. then just record the waveform. I've done this before and put it in a sampler but it didn't work out too well, not because I didn't record it properly, but because the sampler sucks (IMO).

@OP: regarding massive vs FM8. you can't really compare the two fairly. both are top notch synths at what they do. if i wanted a simple subtractive, I'd pick massive, and if I wanted an FM, I'd pick FM8. right now, if I could only choose one, it would probably be massive, because I am not that good at FM8 yet. but hopefully in the future I will prefer FM8.

metiri wrote:

LogiSpark wrote:

metiri wrote:I can't stand presets anymore and am doing my best to teach people synthesis from the get-go. It's just a better thing to do with your time than looking for that "prefect preset".

I say you should make tutorials on youtube, you seem to have the spirit

http://www.youtube.com/MetiriDubstep

I probably would get a lot of hate from the forum for some of my tutorials, but whatever. I like helping the newbies and anyone in general who wants to learn something I know a lot about.

Dude i would like to personally thank you for your dubstep series! Helped me tons when i started producing! Probably you and ascian have the best beginner series on youtube in dubstep and music production in general!

R3b_Official wrote:

metiri wrote:

LogiSpark wrote:

metiri wrote:I can't stand presets anymore and am doing my best to teach people synthesis from the get-go. It's just a better thing to do with your time than looking for that "prefect preset".

I say you should make tutorials on youtube, you seem to have the spirit

http://www.youtube.com/MetiriDubstep

I probably would get a lot of hate from the forum for some of my tutorials, but whatever. I like helping the newbies and anyone in general who wants to learn something I know a lot about.

Dude i would like to personally thank you for your dubstep series! Helped me tons when i started producing! Probably you and ascian have the best beginner series on youtube in dubstep and music production in general!

woooooo! glad I could help my latest series is on sound design in massive and I am suppose to keep adding to it.

metiri wrote:

R3b_Official wrote:

metiri wrote:

LogiSpark wrote:

metiri wrote:I can't stand presets anymore and am doing my best to teach people synthesis from the get-go. It's just a better thing to do with your time than looking for that "prefect preset".

I say you should make tutorials on youtube, you seem to have the spirit

http://www.youtube.com/MetiriDubstep

I probably would get a lot of hate from the forum for some of my tutorials, but whatever. I like helping the newbies and anyone in general who wants to learn something I know a lot about.

Dude i would like to personally thank you for your dubstep series! Helped me tons when i started producing! Probably you and ascian have the best beginner series on youtube in dubstep and music production in general!

woooooo! glad I could help my latest series is on sound design in massive and I am suppose to keep adding to it.

I just checked it out just now ahha, great stuff will be looking at those soon could i make a request for a tutorial? If its not so much trouble, dont hear it much in dubstep but more grime and darkstuff. No seems to really know the actual sound design part of it. Mixed results from every where.

This one sound been driving me crazy and been rambling on about for past week now. I got most of the technics down but just missing a fuller sound.

R3b_Official wrote:
I just checked it out just now ahha, great stuff will be looking at those soon could i make a request for a tutorial? If its not so much trouble, dont hear it much in dubstep but more grime and darkstuff. No seems to really know the actual sound design part of it. Mixed results from every where.

This one sound been driving me crazy and been rambling on about for past week now. I got most of the technics down but just missing a fuller sound.

any artist to reference?

metiri wrote:

R3b_Official wrote:
I just checked it out just now ahha, great stuff will be looking at those soon could i make a request for a tutorial? If its not so much trouble, dont hear it much in dubstep but more grime and darkstuff. No seems to really know the actual sound design part of it. Mixed results from every where.

This one sound been driving me crazy and been rambling on about for past week now. I got most of the technics down but just missing a fuller sound.

any artist to reference?

You're obviously ghost producing for Kill the Noise. Hey can you make some dnb tutorials, even though you mainly make dubstep?

wub wrote:When mixing down, play the track in reverse so you can focus on the sounds rather than being distracted by the tune/arrangement itself.

How do you do this in FL?

LogiSpark wrote:You're obviously ghost producing for Kill the Noise. Hey can you make some dnb tutorials, even though you mainly make dubstep?

lol, not a huge ktn fan, so i wouldnt know. granted i have only listened to like 5 of his songs, one of which being "Talk to Me" (cant stand it XD). My dnb is so terrible It's more of a sexy lead party that I come up with once in a while

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metiri wrote:

R3b_Official wrote:
I just checked it out just now ahha, great stuff will be looking at those soon could i make a request for a tutorial? If its not so much trouble, dont hear it much in dubstep but more grime and darkstuff. No seems to really know the actual sound design part of it. Mixed results from every where.

This one sound been driving me crazy and been rambling on about for past week now. I got most of the technics down but just missing a fuller sound.

any artist to reference?

Some stuff you can clearly here in the artist like p0gman and cyberoptics. That bounce metallic bouncy wobble. Probably made with an evenlope and not lfos to get the right movement. Its literally in all of p0gman tunes and getter aswell.

http://www.dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=271029

Ive been posting on this thread and other about this kind of sound. It could tie into those big cinematic basses datsik and exsicion uses but all they do to put a format filter and tons of distortion to the sound.

Its just achieving that nice rounded wooden metal sound, ive come close to getting the right sound but doesnt "jump" or bounce nice.

Thanks Metri! Appreciate it if you could help man. Theres also barely any tuts on youtube so you could be the first

layer everything. experiment with layering. layer layer layer. layer.

PillowFight wrote:layer everything. experiment with layering. layer layer layer. layer.

Good advice. You might want to add that layering is also a good idea.

Add9 wrote:

PillowFight wrote:layer everything. experiment with layering. layer layer layer. layer.

Good advice. You might want to add that layering is also a good idea.

but then you gotta know when not to layer too lol

PillowFight wrote:

Add9 wrote:

PillowFight wrote:layer everything. experiment with layering. layer layer layer. layer.

Good advice. You might want to add that layering is also a good idea.

but then you gotta know when not to layer too lol

yeah like, jam on beans. wow

Turnipish Thoughts wrote:

PillowFight wrote:

Add9 wrote:

PillowFight wrote:layer everything. experiment with layering. layer layer layer. layer.

Good advice. You might want to add that layering is also a good idea.

but then you gotta know when not to layer too lol

yeah like, jam on beans. wow

I layered 2 of my finished tracks together but it just doesn't sound right... What am I doing wrong?