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Why are some producers so stingy with their dubs?

Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 2:27 am
by netics
Basically I'm sick of hearing tunes I really like on radio sets and then never getting to own / even hear the full release. Don't get me wrong, I have the up most respect for the dubstep producers, but if a good tune has not been signed and isn't going to be released then why not distribute it? Surely producers distributing their dubs would only increase the popularity of the genre, even if we were made to pay for them. In a nut shell: im sick of hearing short and low-quality clips of decent tunes. I wanna hear the whole tune if it's not going to be released. Does anyone feel pissed off in this way being an "end user" in the genre?

Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 2:53 am
by bob crunkhouse
yeh, its fucking annoying. Dubplate culture so they say...

The funniest bit is when people are saying tunes shouldnt come out!, there was a discussion about skreams lemon here the other day with people actually saying they hope it never comes out, so fucking backwards..

I couldnt imagine this happening outside of dance music really..

Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 2:55 am
by jim
Bob Crunkhouse is always annoying.

Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 2:57 am
by bob crunkhouse
lol, cheers. I do understand the other side of it though, gets people out to gigs, hypes a dj's reputation etc. Just dosent seem to justify not owning a lot of this amazing music. :?

Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 3:39 am
by fushimi
Rather dubplate culture than waiting a year or two for an artist to put an album together.

Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 9:12 am
by will schiller
To be fair to the artist. No a days a lot of people download music and don't pay for it so if you already have a load of tunes out and your well known in the scene why release a tune so people can sit at home and download it for free and not come your shows.Ok people will prob come regardless but I think what we are seeing is artist adapting to the new ways in which the industry is going. Albums should be released for the fans and for promotion but why release every tune you make. makes it a bit more special if its dubplate! Doesn't Skream make a tune a day? Surely he cant release all dem!

Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 9:46 am
by fractal
i love tracks you dont get to hear that often... makes em more special, kinda like a mala set.

Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 9:53 am
by n9_n9_n9
Will Schiller wrote:To be fair to the artist. No a days a lot of people download music and don't pay for it so if you already have a load of tunes out and your well known in the scene why release a tune so people can sit at home and download it for free and not come your shows.Ok people will prob come regardless but I think what we are seeing is artist adapting to the new ways in which the industry is going. Albums should be released for the fans and for promotion but why release every tune you make. makes it a bit more special if its dubplate! Doesn't Skream make a tune a day? Surely he cant release all dem!
if u cant release a tune, dont wanna release a tune, why bother wasting ur airtime on radio on promoting something that will never see the light of the day?

it annoys me too :oops:

Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 9:55 am
by fractal
not everythings for sell, somethings should just be enjoyed in the moment they exist


do we need to own and rinse everything?

Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 9:58 am
by n9_n9_n9
Fractal wrote:not everythings for sell, somethings should just be enjoyed in the moment they exist


do we need to own and rinse everything?
i am for saving the specials for raves, thats hype when u hear something like that for the first time and on the big ss

but

playing them ones on radio is a bit weak i think.

raves = rather fun than promotion
radio = rather promotion than fun

Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 10:02 am
by fractal
bah

Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 10:02 am
by contakt
n9_n9_n9 wrote:if u cant release a tune, dont wanna release a tune, why bother wasting ur airtime on radio on promoting something that will never see the light of the day?

it annoys me too :oops:
It takes time, money and a lot of effort to release a tune.

Producers don't sit in the studio and make tunes for the sole purpose of releasing them. If they did, they would only bother to make about five a year thanks to the above constraints.

They make tunes because that is what they love to do. They make what they want to make - not all of it is meant to be released, they just made it because that's what came out.

Wouldn't you rather hear as much new music by them as possible even though you know you'll only ever be able to actually buy a small handful? :)

Re: Why are some producers so stingy with their dubs?

Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 10:20 am
by selector.dub.u
jasonn wrote:Basically I'm sick of hearing tunes I really like on radio sets and then never getting to own / even hear the full release. Don't get me wrong, I have the up most respect for the dubstep producers, but if a good tune has not been signed and isn't going to be released then why not distribute it? Surely producers distributing their dubs would only increase the popularity of the genre, even if we were made to pay for them. In a nut shell: im sick of hearing short and low-quality clips of decent tunes. I wanna hear the whole tune if it's not going to be released. Does anyone feel pissed off in this way being an "end user" in the genre?
Start making your own tunes :)

Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 10:25 am
by will schiller
not everythings for sell, somethings should just be enjoyed in the moment they exist

Exactly..... Fact of the matter is the bottom line is no longer record sales.

Re: Why are some producers so stingy with their dubs?

Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 10:54 am
by dubway
jasonn wrote:Basically I'm sick of hearing tunes I really like on radio sets and then never getting to own / even hear the full release. Don't get me wrong, I have the up most respect for the dubstep producers, but if a good tune has not been signed and isn't going to be released then why not distribute it? Surely producers distributing their dubs would only increase the popularity of the genre, even if we were made to pay for them. In a nut shell: im sick of hearing short and low-quality clips of decent tunes. I wanna hear the whole tune if it's not going to be released. Does anyone feel pissed off in this way being an "end user" in the genre?
haha.. thats exactly how i felt few years ago..

Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 12:01 pm
by etidorhpa
I suppose a producer is going to be alot more critical about their own work, and by the time tracks get round to being released, they themselves, as producers, have probably improved tenfold, and have a much better roster of songs. So songs, will always get lost in the archives.
And i suppose, as far as the artist is concerned, the money for them (not that that is necessarily the priority) comes prominently from live appearances as opposed to vinyl sales, so it bears no odds to them whether an older tune has been released or not.

Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 12:04 pm
by netics
im not saying every producer should take the time and expense to release every tune they make, but if i hear somthing i like i would be perfectly willing to pay just as much for an 320 of it as I would a vinyl (like £4 - £5).

I just find it hard to totally appreciate a tune if I only hear 1 min of it on a radio mix. For example, you rarely get to hear the intro of a dubplate played on air.

Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 3:03 pm
by sully_shanks
if things are limited it keeps em special. it also encourages diversity, cos not everyone has the same tunes. all adds a bit of mystique n excitement to the tunes...

Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 3:28 pm
by skrewface
Trust me, everything leaks anyway :wink: . But god forbid you get catched playing it LMAO :lol:

Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 3:33 pm
by dubzy
skrewface wrote:Trust me, everything leaks anyway :wink: . But god forbid you get catched playing it LMAO :lol:

oh my days