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"War on drugs cannot be won"

Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 11:50 pm
by trap
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8175800.stm

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/u ... 732917.ece

Remember when cannabis was moved up to class B? I don't think moving cannabis up a class really did much at all, did it? Did the laws change for having it in your posession?

The government are looking into moving MDMA down, making it the same class of cannabis, which seems totally nuts in retrospect.

Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 11:52 pm
by hurlingdervish
the war on drugs was won...and drugs won.

Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 12:11 am
by hugh
i think this can only work if it is coupled with a total regalvanisation of the education budget. The idea should always to make this a personal choice as long as the potential recipient of the drug is fully aware of any potential short or long term dangers of taking any drug. The drug war cannot ever be won as long as the exact reasons and causes of every of potential harm can be pinpointed.
imo

Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 12:19 am
by phase 2
It just means a 20 bag now costs 25.

£160 for an ounce is ridiculous.

Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 12:41 am
by trap
Phase 2 wrote:It just means a 20 bag now costs 25.

£160 for an ounce is ridiculous.
I was talking about this to a mate the other day whilst trying to source some out - they were dark times.

The conspiracy theorist in me likes to think that drugs are illegal because some provoke thought, and that the government would rather have us drinking and acting more yobbish than sitting at home discussing different sides to things that you can interpret with stuff like marijauna. I guess the best example of this is listening to music.

Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 12:47 am
by rak'um
I dont know what its like else where but in Newport theyve been busting so many skunk ts factorys and 10 n 20 bag dealers that its now easier to get coke than it is weed. Theres a lot of people making alot of money off drugs and the police havent got a clue whats going on. They have defaintly lost the war, i even heard on the news the other day that the colbumian drug cartels have now bought submerenies to summgle drugs into the us. Theve lost on every leval.

Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 1:05 am
by trap
Sounds like they're winning in Newport. Why do they only deal in tens and twenty?

To be fair, calling it a war is pretty weak - as if it's a really bad situation. Try living in bloody 80's Columbia.

Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 1:07 am
by hurlingdervish
shit where i live its coming in from canada, vermont, maine, NY, cali....

going full force in the US

you cant police thousands of acres of wildlife like there is in maine

thats the problem then isnt it? growing in the city is a sketchy business and your electric bill shows

Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 1:12 am
by HamCrescendo
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Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 3:20 am
by phase 2
It's all a bit silly, as alcohol prohibition failed miserably.

People wanna get high/drunk and they'll do so unless you start executing them for a spliff.

Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 4:02 am
by tim d
hurlingdervish wrote:the war on drugs was won...and drugs won.
Sad truth

Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 4:16 am
by my_war
DanRev wrote:Image
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Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 4:28 am
by boomstix
they fought the drugs and tha

drugs won

they fought the drugs and tha

DRUGS WON :)

Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 5:02 am
by hurlingdervish
boomstix wrote:they fought the drugs and tha

drugs won

they fought the drugs and tha

DRUGS WON :)
I needed some weed cuz

I HAD NONE


they fought the drugs and the

DRUGS WON

Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 11:58 am
by Whistla
prohibition never works
legalise all drugs, and educate people about there choices
telling people not to do stuff makes people want to do it more

Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 12:23 pm
by NilsFG
DJ Whistla wrote:prohibition never works
legalise all drugs, and educate people about there choices
telling people not to do stuff makes people want to do it more
I wouldn't say legalise all drugs. But it might work.

What I'm afraid of; these times everybody can get stuff like weed etc, even at a very young age.
But when you legalise it, chances are they would be able to get it even easier.
The only way to stop that would be tight control using some kind of "badge" that allows you to buy a quantity of X per week etc etc.

A good system is needed.

Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 12:42 pm
by Whistla
yea i will openly admit im a bit of a "freedom extremist" in that i would rather people be able to O.D in the street than be told they cant do something. in this instance i think that education makes the real diff, and the example of for instance a kid seeing some smackhead off his head in a gutter quickly makes them think i dont wanna be that person.

Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 12:54 pm
by NilsFG
That's true, but it's sad that there are still stubborn kids that think "It will never go that far with me"

Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 1:04 pm
by Whistla
its interesting to look @ Portugal when we talk of this stuff as they has a system whereby users arent breaking the law and wont be arrested for drug use. Everyone was worried that Portugal would become a junkies paradise but the total opposite has happened. There are more people in treatment there than ever, the rates of use are down, and this is in a modern european country.

Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 1:11 pm
by ashen
Legalising all drugs doesnt make much sense. For example, how would the government regulate the distribution of heroin, crack etc? Answer is they wouldnt, simply because no central authority would be able to monopolize the drug business in order to make money.